I'm here knew as Yug on several wikipedias and Commons (ex-admin on fr and commons / my wikiclic), a 23 years old french student in History and Chinese studies.
In April 2007, for my serious work in the department of Chinese studies of Bordeaux 3, I obtained a scholarship to study Chinese in Taipei, from September 2007 to may 2008.
Below is explain my previous involvements and skills helpful for wikimedia :
I was deeply involve in both Graphic organization, Chinese characters graphism, and Chinese language dictionary creation. Respectively by :
_the Graphic Labs on wikipedia.fr in 2005, wikipedia-en in 2006 and on commons in 2007. I created them, started them, and organized them widely. Since 2005, they cleaned up or created more than 1.000 images. I was also the leading contributor to set up a mapmaking standards for all Wikimeda projects. All this was part of the Commons 2.0 project, the next step planned, the idea of an active community of wikigraphists and audio-files creators on commons, which will improve and create files.
_the CJK stroke order project (CJK = China Japan Korea) is a wide project which made and provide about 1.500 free files useful to learn Chinese and CJK characters. I created this project, organized standards, and I staid 3 years the overviewer contributor. I can say the same for the Ancient Chinese character sister-project, in which a Chinese-French team provide hundreds of old Chinese characters.
_CFDICT , a free Chinese French Dictionary underconstruction since December 2006, with the help of the Deutsch HanDeDict Team ( www.chdw.de , 90.000 entries in 8 months ). I, my brother, and the chdw.de team plan to open the CFDICT website this summer. This website and my relations with french teachers of Chinese language and with wikipedians will allow us to set up promptly a good and free Chinese-French dictionary.
In addition to the disapointment of the Wikimania 2007, I leave wikipedia for several reasons, the biggest being that make an efficient work on wikipedia become every day more difficult because of the inevitable presence of people with strong will to edit, but clear lack of knowledge and mediation abilities. One other good reasons is the clear and coward lack of political aims of Wikipedia/Wikimedia. Wikipedia is now a world wide community, with clever and generous members, with millions of readers, we have and we can now act on the world, especially on unacceptable things such the American health system, tax system, and hundred other things. It is time for me to stop my involment here since I clearly want involve my energy and leadership ability in more efficient places, in real tasks, to improve the world around me.
Wikimedia should hire this guys, and buy these stuffs[edit]
en:Everaldo Coelho & his graphist team - to set up a free graphic set of images showing clear concept (eat, swimming, etc.).
A professional cartographer (who?) - to supervise professionally the creation of maps on Wikipedia
A profesional macro-photographer (Fir0002 - * - others ?) and a profesionnal graphist. To take thousand of insect's pictures in one museum (male - female - child ? - egg? in one shoot), with the good latin name and the scale ; and to clean up the pics' bacground before to uplaod them on commons.
de:HanDeDict website's team - which made a dictionary of 100.000 Chinese-Deutsch entries within 8 months.
An Encoder & en:Archivist man - hire and paid to buy Audio CD of every old artists (death before 1937, musics free of use), and who encode scientifically each of this audio CD into .ogg, and send this to commons.
All such works are too heavy to be done by one/some Wikipedian, amatory in the job, in its/their free time. According to this fact, we have to hire some professionals to do the best job possible, and to paid them.
An other solution is to buy already existing standardized materials, such :
Set of Animal's Images cleaned up - such professional photographies will be use in hundreds and hundreds articles in each Wikipedia
A graphic set of images showing clear concept (eat, swimming, a watch, etc.) - need to teach languages, to children or adults. Many children's books have 500 hundred of such pics (I have one in my hand). Buy the copyrights of such stuffs would be really interesting (3000 US$ for 500 pics ? We should buy it immediately !)
I'm sorry, but I really don't have the time to take on all the work you have been doing. I think it would be better to ask someone already involved with your projects.
But whoever you find to do it, please tell them to get in contact with me, because I think they are great projects and I want to stay up-to-date with them.
Hi Yug. I think you have started a very good initiative which is very much needed on wikipedia. While i would have been very happy to lead this project, if it was a year ago, presently i no longer have the spare time that i used to have to devote to maps and for wikipedia. I myself did mostly base maps and hoped that others would improve upon it since i did not have the time to do everything by myself. Considering that you are looking to have the guidelines in place by december, i feel it will be impossible for me to lead such an effort. Really sorry --Planemad13:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We haven't met, but I just got the message that you left me on my talkpage. I'm fairly new to commons, and was planning to help out with the map-making stuff. I think that I'll take you up on the offer to try and organize the project...we'll see if I have the skills and time that it takes.
There seems to be a bit of a rebellion/exodus from Wikipedia projects now. Its a shame that a lot of great editors are leaving the project. I can tell that you care about WP and have put in a lot of time and effort. It's a shame that we'll be loosing your skill.
If you ever decide to return, you'll have at least 1 supporter (me). In the meantime, good luck with whatever you plan on pursuing. Reuvenk13:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Could you please try to find out if I can mirror the stroke order scans from www.edu.tw. The connection reliability is awful. Thanks! --Infofarmer10:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Your equivalence png for zhuyin by similarities needs a diacritic over the E for the vowel sound of 也。
It should not be "e" but "ê". If that is a problem for you I can fix the png with my png editor. Patrick Edwin Moran (talk) 18:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello Sting, I will have time to involve myself again on the Map standards creation. Yesterday, I improved the overview table (I still have some ideas). Today evening, I made some clean up to the page using the "{{Summarization}}" box.
I personnaly plan to focus my effort on some points only :
continue to rethink the map division on wikimedia to improve the overview table ;
continue the page clean up using the {Summarization} box (one more evening) ;
make some proposal for colored area (translucent layers to show an area)
create some tools (templates) ;
About the overview table, I added the German position maps to show what we can finally get, but I don't clearly understand what is the place of German maps, since thay don't use Orange.
I want also notice :
as predictable, Commons being a "satellite wiki", I think the page is not enough active, only some non-french have voice their opinions ;
most people seems to wait a fully finished ;
Pro-English seems support brighter colors and the Planemad style ; in opposition with German who adopted your new proposal's soft colors and skip the orange !
...this trouble or lack of participation ead me to think that we should take a stronger leadership.
To take a stronger leadership :
we should more clearly state that your new global proposal is waiting comments and approval. We still can change some aspects. But silence will means approval.
we should now expand your proposal quickly and by ourselves, I will quickly voice some proposals.
we should make quickly arbitrary choices, we can't satisfy everyone [EN / DE&FR] in such so close proposals, we have to choice quickly to progress continously and keep everybody active.
PS: As I said before, I'm a little "out of the game", so please say me quickly if I misunderstood something.
Yug(talk)21:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC) Happy to be back to finish the work !Reply[reply]
Hi Yug, really glad to see you´re back among us !!
I think we shouldn´t go too fast. I mean, let´s see how rolls the section about the general style and also now the one about the locator and location (geo-location) maps before initiate a discussion about thematic maps (historical, gradient, bio-diversity, etc.). If there´s not enough feedback on these first, no need to waste more energy here on other maps types.
Yes, there´s until now not much feedback here on Commons from the local WPs´ actors, specifically the WP-en one, turning it as a «satellite» page, as you wrote. It´s a pity as there´re almost only the -de, -en and -fr which are active in map creation. The WP-en continue slowly their discussion there, the contacts I had on WP-pt seem inactive... but all WPs with a Graphic Workshop where contacted...
I´m not sure forcing the acceptance of color schemes can be the solution on this page because if the local actors don´t voice their opinion here they will continue their business in their local WP without any consideration to these pages. Also, I´m not sure wanting to take any leadership in a semi-dictatorial decision about a standard, specially when I see the low rate of participation here: yes, I initiated the discussion here with a proposal, but as the end each one makes his maps the way he wants, regarding the energy it requires to establish a color scheme that could pretend turn a common standard and knowing how many other thematic schemes have still to be set, I´m loosing my faith.
One month now since that proposal was made, and very low results: the Germans gave feedback but took already inspiration of the -fr standard before; the English stay in their local WP; we don´t even speak about the other ones... I´m almost ready (I gave myself one month) to close the discussions here and continue it maybe (maybe not ?) on WP-fr. Too much energy put (wasted ?) trying to set standards and too few maps created and articles written... Maybe Sémhur´s proposition to use the «snowball effect» with WP-fr as core is the best way to handle this. The Franco-German bound seems also to carry high potential. That´s good, at least.
Ok, you are the boss :], I answeredthere, I was thinking about this issue the four last days, and I'm happy to see that we share the same opinion: the German idea is good, and the German team make a really constructive work, both helpfull and full of initiative ! Great. I'm surprised/astonished by their goodwill, map abilities, and initiatives, we will have to increase collaboration with them.
For the future of the project, I agree that we will need a "snowball effect", that's what my strong initiative policy proposal aimed to start : first say to people that we choice THAT (mid-dictatorial way), then they will react voicing their opinions, and we can and have to listen them. That's when I started to show support to the German style that Seav, and 2(?) other English graphist came to voice their opinions.
Anyway, personally, I have ideas for historical maps, (et je trépigne d'impatience !), but you are right : « First learn to walk, after only try to run. ». Accordingly, I will follow your advices and correct my involvement: I already made some little corrections to concentrate the talks on the general, locator, and geolocation maps styles, I will continue.
Hi. I'm not sure you understood well what I was trying to say: I'm starting to be really tired of all of this because of the low participation and think strongly to disconnect myself from these discussions here. After closing properly the case on WP-fr, I'll simply continue to make maps the way I like. It's as simple as that. Sting (talk) 16:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oui, le projet Greenspun me fait aussi doucement rigoler, même si je trouve ça bien triste. J'imagine la tête que doit faire ce mécène...
Une bonne nouvelle tout de même pour les didacticiels puisque en:User:JaneVannin a décidé de les traduire en anglais. Pour l'instant, un seul d'entre eux est terminé. J'espère qu'elle aura le courage de tous les faire.
If you want input from more users, why not use MediaWiki:Watchlist-details? I'm not sure it works on Commons, but on English Wikipedia it was quite useful to gather a lot of users when a standardization of templates was discussed.
I've been trying to make sense of the COM:SOP and was wondering if you could shed some light on it. I know that you've left the project, but I'd really appreciate it if you could help me understand where the project stood when you left.
It asks users not to contribute to the kanji since there are still issues under discussion. Did that discussion come to a conclusion and where did it take place?
(unclear. Not yet answered)
Did that discussion center/touch on the issue of where Japanese users should upload their images to without sources to verify the simplified Chinese form?
(question not understood.)
SVG conversion: What is the status on the vector images and animations? I found Commons:CJK stroke order/SVG and the Category:Animated SVG but I'm still not sure about the details of the work already done.
Closed. 1. Health trouble: I planed to create 214 SVG radicals in Automn 2007. But my girlfirend get health trouble, which -combine to my studies and personnal situation-, all these combined pressure then also cause me some health trouble in November 2007. I tryed hard to keep this project in mind and moving, but my situation was really bad, and, eventually, my situation becoming worse, I had to withdrawed from many [all?] my free projects. 2. Wenlin were faster, better: I also discovered that the famous Wenlin institute had, actually, already the idea and made the ~40 strokes ->> 214 radicals ->> 50.000 characters (!!!!) in such good SVG, easy to animate, and easy to update since using fully SVG function such as embedding the strokes to create a radical, embedding the radicals to create a characters : you change the shape of a stroke, the change immediatly appear on all characters ! 3. No more free time: if all was fine, I had enough free time in Automn 2007. But all was far to be fine. Now, I don't have time to relaunch myself in a such time-consuming project, knowing that professionals (wenlin) already did it, and this project remembering to me that bad time, I haven't anymore the will to restart this task. 4. Currently: closed. Currently, the Commons:CJK stroke order/SVG is close because no one is working on it. I made the ~40 strokes, and some radicals (about 10), but no more, and don't plan to do more soon.
I understand that you may not have the time to answer these questions. I do appreciate the enormous amount of time and effort you've already put into this.
Thanks for your reply. Regarding the kanji issue: The project currently doesn't support users who wants to upload a stroke order image for a Japanese character very well. Unless they have access to information about the simplified and/or traditional Chinese characters they can upload them to the Japanese variant filename, but that risks duplicating work. It seems we need some sort of infrastructure to organise which stroke orders have been validated for various things. There is a page on the simplified Chinese, but its scope doesn't extend to Japanese.
I'm going to think about this some more. I mentioned one idea to Wikic. We should probably move discussion to the project talk page. --Swift (talk) 05:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for your big thanks! :) Let me answer your questions, generating map was quite difficult to me. I learned from here and many other websites. I spent 1~2 hours generating the map, but shorter time is needed when making small map such as Korean Peninsula.(10 mins?) I still have not .xcf but .ai(for adobe illustrator) file. if you want to download it, let me know your e-mail address.:) --KSiOM(Talk)21:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Does regional and sub-nationals maps should be include in NATIONAL atlas ? Make this clean up is a personnal opinion which I sincerely think better, include regional map is also according to an opinion. There is no disrespect, wiki is build edit after edit, talk after talk. For the moment, nothing show that your solution is better than mine. Regards, Yug(talk)14:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have contributed greatly to the atlas. The atlas was not set up for someone like you to make arbitrary "personal opinion" decisions as to editing the content. Look at other country entries and you'll see regional, etc maps - Costa Rica doesn't have as many because of the limited amount of entries (so far). So again - I am telling you NOT to remove maps from the atlas (or bring it up on the talk page). Thank you. Rarelibra (talk) 14:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are not "telling you NOT to remove maps from the atlas", you are explaining me, simply and for the first time, the way to work. = Accepted.
I don't care how you look at it - don't start going around doing "your own thing" according to your "personal opinion" and not expect to have someone tell you NOT to do it. Cheers. Rarelibra (talk) 14:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, you are free to don't care how I look at that, and free to send orders to other wiki volunteers. Other volunteers will react and request missing explanations (like I did), and you will lost time. Yes, that's your freedom, and that's my freedom to react and ask explanations.
Or you can care about, and send a 3 lines notifications like you finally did in your 2nd post. This will end the talk within 2 mins.
Do as you want for next cases. For our it's finish.
Merci pour ta correction, je vais sûrement en apporter d'autres prochainement sur les couleurs (un petit filet de dégradés pour rendre le tout plus réaliste) dès que le demandeur aura donné son avis sur l'avancement actuel du travail. Karta24 (talk) 07:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Merci pour tes compliments et pour ta proposition de participation au projet Greenspun, qui me tente vraiment. Mais j'ai un peu du mal à m'y retrouver dans le projet et beaucoup de questions me traversent l'esprit: Qui peut prendre en charge des illustrations (n'importe qui? un contributeur quelconque, un professionnel de l'image? quel est le niveau de compétences nécessaire?)? Comment proposer sa participation et comment participer? Je te serais très reconnaissant de m'éclairer sur le sujet, même si je sais que tes contributions se font plus rares. A bientôt j'espère... Karta24 (talk) 14:48, 21 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Qui: Tout le monde peu prendre une requete en charge.
Niv.: avoir le niveau de faire du bon travail, voir ton instincteur et la Category:Philip Greenspun illustration project, tous bien construit, mais qui ne sont pas nécéssairement hallucinant. Sting, walké, Sémhur, et quelques autres ont déjà fait chacun quelques images de ce niveau.
Prendre une requetes:
1. sur jira, choisir une requetes unassigned (facile...),
I noticed when you added it to the template, and yes, it did gave it increasing visibility and usage. Thank you :)
I have in my mind various upgrades already, however I can't really tell when will anything get done.
1. Automatic upload is something I have in mind, and I will see to have it done eventually. Thanks for pointing me to Luxo's tools, if possible, I will use his code.
2. Memory: Having a translation memory is easy on my part, however it would require that translators specify the target language beforehand, which some people may not like to do.
3. Correction of a SVG is already possible, as when you translate, you can "translate" to the same language. Simply change the word, save the SVG and you have the corrected SVG.
(By the way, when you don't type in a word, the original word remains used; is it obvious, or should I add that somewhere? Should perhaps SVGTranslate have documentation somewhere on Commons?)
For the rest:
Better design is fine, but what I'd really like to add is the ability to view SVG in one half of your screen while you are editing it in the other half.
Keeping score is only possible after the automatic upload. If you're interested, I could get you usage statistics until now. If you want to check if a specific file is translated with it, you can try opening the file and looking at its source - SVGTranslate adds a signature at the end.
Ok for your projects ! (Automatic upload, Memory, Correction = GREAT !)
Design is just a small issue (a style), the idea of an instant preview is interesting. The "signature" in the end of the SVG may also be helpful for later.
New idea: submit propostions of SVG to translate: if you still have the list of all SVG already translate, it may be interesting to publish them to notify "HERE A TRANSLATABLE SVG". Even better : when a user make a EN->ES translation, you may submit him the names of SVGs which were already translate from EN->FR (and not into spanish).
Conventions: I also encourage you to propose the suffixes *-en.svg , *-de.svg, etc to your users. So yes, a little documentation on commons should be welcome. Notice me if you start a page.
Statistic to get support: I encourage you to share/publish your statistic of usage. In my personal opinion, the boss(s) of wikimedia underestimate the graphic issue, and the possibilities of development, especially for SVG , map conventions , tutorials creation and translations. So yes: publish your statistics to show them how your tool is use... when such initiative get a correct support and visibility.
97 /Jan/
84 /Feb/
110 /Mar/
34 /Apr/
19 /May/
171 /Jun/
229 /Jul/
266 /Aug/
the 29 may : I added more visibility.
These are the numbers of times when someone clicked on "Submit Translation", but I can not know if a translation was actually uploaded somewhere. Nikola (talk) 06:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Deux problèmes à signaler sur cette image que tu as modifiée:
> Blanc de l'œil décalé sur le svg affiché par Firefox
> Yeux, bouche et nez disparus sur le png de 30px (cfr ce modèle)
Salut Karta ! Je rame, je n'aurais peut etre pas du uploadé mon travail. En SVG c'est améliorable et pas trop mal, mais le rendu sur wikimedia est vraiment .... décevant. T'aurais pas des idées ? d'où vient cette disparition bizarre de certaines parties ? Yug(talk)15:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ce n'est qu'un petit détail, mais j'ai remarqué que sur mon template, tu avais remplacé le bandeau {{Graphic Lab|fr}} par l'ancien {{Atelier graphique}}, je pensais qu'il fallait utiliser le premier pour uniformiser les templates des différents graphic labs des wikis... non? Karta24 (talk) 09:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
PS: Oups, je viens seulement de voir ta réponse à Image:Noia 64 apps emacs.svg (je passe assez rarement sur mes pages de Commons), je vais y jeter un œil dès que possible ;)
Ah oui aussi, si tu as un peu de temps et surtout l'envie de t'y lancer, est-ce que tu pourrais donner ton avis sur la discussion que j'ai avec Dereckson sur l'upload par dessus l'original des images retouchées? Merci beaucoup. Karta24 (talk) 09:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
First of all welcome as a nominator at COM:VIC. I hope you will enjoy nominating images there.
Secondly; you do not have to do this when withdrawing a nomination. Just let it stay there, as there is a procedure for closure to be followed, which properly removes the candidate in a correct closed state, all assisted by VICbot. I will undo the edit now. This is just to tell you why I do that. Cheers, -- Slaunger (talk) 12:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
★Your nomination has been reviewed and promoted★ Congratulations! The image you nominated was reviewed and has now been promoted as a valued image. It is considered to be the most valued image on Commons within the scope: Hogna radiata (Adult Female).. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Valued images candidates.
Comment It fails VI criterion 5 regarding Geocoding. Fix that and you have my support. I do not really get this thing about the perception of an photographs of an animal being considered as more encyclopedic when photographed on a white background. I realize this is a preference among some users on Wikipedias for these types of shots, but for me an animal picture is more valuable when it is in contact with its normal habitat and interacts with that. The scale on the sheets is useful though. I suggest you add more numbers on it (5 and 10 mm). -- Slaunger (talk) 22:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hm...well. Yug, is it correct that this individual was found at some location, and placed on this sheet of yours in sunlight, whereafter you took the photo? If that is so, it is not a studio shot in my opinion. The reason why I would like a geocode is that there can be regional variances in how species of living organisms look. I agree the background in non-place-related, but the subject may be (but I do not know). Just to compare with another VI with neutral background like this Image:Abludomelita obtusata.jpg. This is not geocoded either, but there are two good reasons: (1) the specimen was sampled somewhere on the Belgian continental shelf at sea (the exact location is unknown), and (2) it is truly a studio shot. If this image is truly a studio shot, I would like to have that stated more clearly on the image page, and if my assumption about how it was made is right, I think that should be stated as well on the image page along with a location. -- Slaunger (talk) 06:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The image's page description note « took in the South West of France », I was by this time traveling in a 200x200km area (en:Aquitaine). If I remember well, I picked up this subject in en:Marmande ( Coordinates: 44°30′05″N 0°09′58″E ), so I should past {location dms|44|30|05|N|0|09|58|E|heading:WSW} (isn't it ? what is the WSW ?). The picture being then took in Bayonne, 200km southward. Yug(talk)08:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I added the location you specified (it pops up in Marmande). The WSW is a heading (the direction the camera was pointing at towards the subject). The heading is irrelevant in this case, so I have omitted it. -- Slaunger (talk) 12:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, I had to use some time to get it right. I may not be the brightest individual, but I do not think I am the dumbest either. I cannot see any harm in future version of the sheet to also add 5, 10, and 15 mm on the scale. It will only make it clearer. Anyway that is just a suggestion. -- Slaunger (talk) 12:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment one last thing, which I noticed while editing the image page: Please provide the date you took the image in the date field. The date field refers the reader to inspect the date of upload, and I am not convinced that is the date of creation. Unfortunately the EXIF data are not there (why not, did the fr wikigrapists remove it?). Else, I would have added it myself. -- Slaunger (talk) 12:46, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Date: 5 september 2008 : added. Category : created. Author vote forbidden: ok, noticed. I didn't seen that you reverted my vote the 1st time. Sorry. Yug(talk)14:52, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for uploading Image:French_peasans_in_their_biotop.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikimedia Commons (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page. If the content is a derivative of a copyrighted work, you need to supply the names and a licence of the original authors as well.
If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag, then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-all}} to release it under the multilicense GFDL plus Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike All-version license or {{PD-self}} to release it into the public domain. See Commons:Copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.
Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find all your uploads using the Gallery tool. Thank you. Trixt (talk) 18:25, 21 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
First of all, thanks for alerting me about the graphics lab! The pictures look great. Now for something I must bother you about:
Recently someone added this map to the article on Tang Dynasty. I noticed on the page for this image that there is not a proper source listed as to where these boundaries were discerned, i.e. a scholarly book or journal, preferably published by a university press. Do you remember exactly which source you used to create these borders in the map? Thanks.--PericlesofAthens (talk) 18:36, 21 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Really simple : the Cambridge history of China, vol 6(?), Chap "Tang Taizong: The consolidator". I will add this information and [maybe] recreate the map in a better SVG version in the next months. Regards. Yug(talk)18:39, 21 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry that I hadn't yet seen your latest comments on my talk page when I added my latest comments to Village Pump; however, user talk-page comments are not instantaneously-received real-time communication -- and your edits to my Village Pump comments were still "sunbstantive", and I still would have objected to them... AnonMoos (talk) 15:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I didn't understood well your purposes. I'm intersted mainly to write articles about our life project in italian Wikipedia and I think that pictures and diagrams are very important for give help to users. But I'm a bad photographer. I enjoy painting with Gimp and Inkscape so, when I cannot take a photo I try to draw an image to improve contents of my articles. I'm very busy in it.wiki project because I'm a writer and sysop, so I can offer very small time in Commons. If I can help for something I try to do my part but it's too hard in that moment. Greetings --gian_d (talk) 00:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
About SVGs, I think it's very important choosing light colors as green and yellow, which are not hard to read. But it isn't easy choose a good color in foreground to get an enough contrast: red lines are not good because they aren't in contrast with yellow and green, black or dark blue are better but there is the problem that they confuse with drawing lines in the pictures.
Your macro scale is a good idea, so I think to use it in the future: p.a., yesterdays I've loaded a drawing of Image:Bocydium globulare.jpg, a small treehopper very curious. Drawing and macros are not useful without a scale: people can think that this treehopper are big insect, but it's very small and it isn't longer than 4 mm!
Another idea could be to load also original works in GIMP format structured with layers: see the difference between the Image:Bocydium globulare.jpg and Image:Bocydium globulare.xcf. The first is the final work, resized and with some filter applied, but it isn't good to improve it. The second is not a good file because has a bad layout and it is not supported by Web browsers, but other users can begin from it to improve the draw. Are you agree? greetings --gian_d (talk) 17:34, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
.xcf VS .jpg with history : I technically agree, but encourage user to work in xcf and to upload both .jpg and .xcf will not work. People contribute mainly to see their work quickly available. The old layout is not interesting for them, they will not waste time to provide them. Keep an xcf duplicata is not convenient enough. The best would be that Wikipedia (ImageMagic) understand .xcf, that's not the case.
SVG: yeap, I'm aware of this color issue. I think the best way is to pick up colors from previous good SVG, by example those from user:LadyofHats.
Macro: yeap, the scale is need. If you make some try, say me is it difficult for you to print an SVG ? should I provide a PDF instead of the current SVG ? are the dots soft enough ? etc. Each comments is helpful.
After, my opinion is that we have enough "free photographies" (free view, natural background) on wikipedia. But we also should have some technical photography => neutral white/black background + good view + scale , which them can allow accurate descriptions/recognition.
NB: I can add the scale myself to an image if you state the body's size of a pictured insect.
So, yeap, I agree, but we are limited in our technological tools. Afterwhat, I will try to do my best to provide helpful tutorial and "SVG tool boxes". We will see that in the next 6 months ;) Yug(talk)19:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The reason in the case of the character map is that it is simply factually inaccurate - usage of Chinese characters for writing Mongolian was no more than marginal, by no means as significant as in Vietnam. There may exist some documents of Mongolian language written in Chinese characters (I personally know only of the Secret History of the Mongols, whose transcription into Chinese characters was most likely only done during the compilation of the official history of the Yuan Dynasty, i.e. after 1368), but the usual system for writing Mongolian has always been the so-called Uighur script, which is not related to Chinese characters.
My motive with that Greater China Map is more NPOV. I am aware that there may be no really clear-cut definition, but certainly at least most Mongolians would react quite strongly to being included in a "Chinese World". Also I wonder what is the basis for including Mongolia, but not, say, Nepal or Laos or Burma or countries with a large population of overseas Chinese like Malaysia or Indonesia. Yaan (talk) 16:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'd be interested in localising the information so that they'd be more easily updated. Are these links that you'd specifically like to have in their current form on your user sub-pages? I'm going to copy those that I reckon might be useful to the sources page, but wanted to ask you if you wanted to were interested in having a hand in the process and even replace the links on your sub-pages with a reference to the SOP sources page, rather than having duplicate reference pages in several places.
I noticed you had User:Yug/Sources deleted. I found a few of the many links on that page interesting, though not necessarily of all that much value for this project. Was the content on this page really redundant? Might it be worth while to ask an admin to temporarily restore the page or just send me the page contents? --Swift (talk) 17:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
1. the Taiwanese ministery website ; 2. no need website for japan, since the rule is "follow logic and for unclear cases do as you want" ; 3. the Mainland order is widely display on the web, I though that the Commons:Stroke Order Project/Sources page already have its favorite mainland source.
Hi Yug, sorry that my French is not good enough to write to you in that language; i have also my troubles in English, but I want to tell you:
You made really fine svg-pictures of Chinese calligraphy; they would be even better if you correct 2 small items.
At Image:Chinese calligraphy scheme 03-en.svg it might be better to write "beginner" instead of "begginer" - it is wrong that way twice.
At Image:Chinese calligraphy scheme 02-en.svg the looking of the seal image (at the foot of the seal) should be seen as from a mirror.
This may be a lot of work to do in SVG.
Much easier will be to write "foot" instead of "feet", if you agree that this is more correct.
=> "Traditionally, Chinese calligraphy is written in columns from left to right"
=> "The main text is in one particular style, while the stamp area often uses an ancient style (such as Xiaozhuan) with writing in smaller characters."
=> "A red signature stamp appears at the end of the page." =>> DECLINED, I had kept "A red stamp end the page", since : 1. I'm limited in space ; 2. the "stamp=signature" is explain in the "Stamp area" notice.
Hi Yug, if you write "A red stamp ends the page", it will fit into the space and will follow the English rule that requires an "s" in that case for verbs in 3rd person. It means the same as e.g. "A red stamp is ending the page" but fits better into your space.
Salut,
Comme tu n'as pas donné de nouvelles sur l'Atelier graphique pour l'importation, j'ai uploadé l'image modifiée sous le nom "Dorcus parallelipipedus 6views", j'espère que ça te convient, sinon fais-moi signe ;) Ah oui, et si tu pouvais peut-être étoffer la description du fichier (licence sinon suppression, légende, catégories, etc...) ce serait cool, merci :) Karta24 (talk) 17:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yug, mon ami, I have been away from Wikipedia for many months, and I see that you posted a request on my Talk page: User_talk:MapMaster#Historical_map_review_need. Do you still need help?
Hey, no problem. I just wondered if we had some JS tool somewhere that by mistake would notify the last person who edited the page, instead of the last uploader. Lupo15:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The former structure was to put every thing in -order.gif (including character which are only found in Japan, Vietnam, etc), and then duplicata with a 2nd specific stroke order in their need place : -torder.gif, or -jorder.gif .
If you have change this strategy, big sorry, I was not aware.
Some check point statements:
I stopped to work on the SO project also because we have NOT the tools to manage a such database : 1. renaming, uploading, deletion stay frankly difficult and time consuming (and that got worse with time -___- ); 2. a protected table write by an identifiable 'expert' is need to confirm or deny the existence of a specific stroke order, 3. and this table should also state the existence/absence of all need files on commons.
The Wenlin institute have done, in SVG format, the cuting of 50.000 characters, since assisted by specially coded programs helping to do so. This SVG may easely produce ALL the stroke order project just by some few scripts. In sum: they are Gods, and we are a bunch courageous cuty Cockroach ;__;
Just, for fun, I still plan/hope to work on the SVG project, for the radicals... but nothing is sure, since It's a complex work to be done in a strickly coded style, by one trustable user alone,... and that I'm frankly tired -___-
After some input from the Village Pump I decided to change the setup a bit, putting all variants up at their own name or a redirect to a shared character. As long as the character has that simplified stroke order, there's no problem.
I had already become aware of the limitations of managing a wiki based database of these images (thank god Commons:Rename is coming soon to an admin near you). I'd actually considered constructing an off-Commons interface to handle these. For now, I'm just trying to organise the existing content. For verification, I was inspired by the stroke order code in the Kangxi radical progress lists. None of it is guaranteed, but this is a wiki after all.
I had also found mentions of the Wenlin software, but it doesn't run natively on Linux so I haven't actually seen their images. I also assume that they don't have the Japanese styles. Would you recommend officially retiring or freezing part of the project?
The project still has useful content (you guys did some really great work). The kana have complete sets of BW images and the bopomofo are nearly complete in both BW and red gradients. I started my work here largely for the sake of the b:Japanese wikibook. It is still very basic so there is no need for a complete set of characters. Confirming which of the existing characters have proper Japanese orders should provide us with a nice starter set. Editing images with slight variations shouldn't be too difficult, either. --Swift (talk) 03:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Interest: Yes, sure, the commons PNG-gif SO project stay interesting for wikipedia, but is definitively limited (no tools->no time ; + no trustable).
Limiting the scope: I would recommend to limit the work on the radicals ONLY (bw;order;red) [+ then the 1000 most used characters ONLY (bw)].
Afterwhat->SVG?: Afterwhat, to make an infinitively expandable database, no way: we have to switch to SVG, embeded SVG technology, protected table databases, and leave commons to work on our own PC (files easy to edit & rename, not vandalisable work).
If I remember well, the only way to make a good/perfect work is ONE USER ALONE converting the full set of radicals into strokes based SVG. But I will rethink this SVG project Sunday [=I have free time sunday]: a clear tutorial may [maybe] allow a collaboration with other trusted users.
"Trustable": Do you have concerns about this beyond how dependable wikis are?
Limiting the scope: I'll pass this on. Is there a reason for the 1000 character cutoff? Is that just an arbitrary number to limit the scope to something manageable?
"Afterwhat, to make an infinitively expandable database, no way": Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean.
SVG: Right now, I'm currently just interested in organisation and accessibility of the available content (largely for the wikibook). I do, however, fully support the push for SVGs. About two and a half years back when I was playing around with SVGs, I looked into making stroke order graphics, but got sidetracked before getting anywhere. I was especially interested in the idea of creating a semi-automatic system to generate these graphics files.
What is it about the work that makes it a single-contributor task? I would think that with SVGs it should be even less of a problem than with the bitmapped formats. For better or worse, I doubt there will be too many demanding to share the burden.
Reliable: Yeap, the reliable issue is a concern for me. (I have wiki-grow up :] )
1.000 ?: the radicals say almost EVERY THINGS on stroke order. But, in case, lets go for the 1000 first too (M4RC0 already done 1.300, there are just some holes)
English: "Afterwhat, to make an infinitively expandable database, [we have] no [other] way [that] to go on other technologies (SVG....)"
SVG alone: ALL the SVGs will have to be correctly coded to allow later script convertions. This ask that only trustable users work on this project, with an leader to check one by one the code of the files. Previously, I was the only one able + wishing to do so. Moreover, collaboration may request more time consuming talks that the help that will provide. -> I will likely have to work alone.
SVG database : I will also think about an new database, probably such as :
It is nice to see you back to this family. I have not been active as I used to be since I would have to work hard to get a seat of bachelor's degree. However, I would like to give you assistance if you request any. Just send me email if you want. Do put it down and relax if you think it makes you suffocate. Best wishes, Chanueting (talk) 14:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are right, you could notice that I am not as active as I used to be. I do want to put down our projects on Commons. However, I still could not find one to continue our works. Well, relax! Do what you like, put effort on some wiki projects if and only if you are out of work. We should spend more time outdoor instead of sitting in front of the stupid machines. Get out of time killing wiki works! There are many beautiful things at our sides. Happy Lunar New Year. Chanueting (talk) 14:19, 25 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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I have read the site you have shown me. However, the site seems not to be release copyright as CC licenses instead of a questionnaire. I would like to send the official a mail to inquire the license the department is using. Chanueting (talk) 16:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You mean, select the six most commonly used characters in the Chinese language and google them? Really? Neither this nor that gave me much better results.
Sorry for bothering you with seemingly trivial questions. Given how much work you put into this project, I figured you might have weighed a few different options when deciding on which source to use for the list. Positively identifying the source would be difficult as lists may contain errors and aren't static. Rather than waste time duplicating your work, I thought it best to ask you first. No worries. It's not a big deal. --Swift (talk) 08:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I noticed the to-do list you added to the project talk page. Do you have a particular reason why you placed it there rather than add it to the Commons:Stroke Order Project/Roadmap?
My preference for the roadmap is that it has its own talk page for discussion about specific items. Simple to-do lists tend to be terse and useful only for those who know what they are about. As there are a lot of things to be done on this project, I feel they deserve a full page onto themselves.
I've added a few items that you mentioned on the road-map. I left out:
Gamy's images: They will get deleted in due course.
That's not the project progression, so that can be separate. But that can be together too. I no more the main user on the SO project, so feel free to do what you think best. Moreover, I often edit too quickly, without being aware of new pages you create. i.e., for this case, I was aware of the roadmap page, but had never read it completely. Looking at it again, I notice that you already have include such "maintenance/correction" tasks. Sorry for my mistake. don't hesitate to revert me.
I still think a todo list should appear in the project main talkpage. It may be interesting to divide the road maps into "Important key points and <noinclude>all other points</noinclude>", which will allow to use the road map page as a todo template to display in the main talk page.
Don't hesitate to revers me directly when you notice a misleading edit I did.
Actually it wasn't hanja I wanted to contribute to, but actually Hangeul characters. I was wanting to do some animated images showing the stroke order. As far as Hanja, I assume it's the same stroke order as traditional(old style) Chinese no? I'm half Korean btw, not full but I've been here in Korea studying. My project is at http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki/ and I figured I could contribute to the stroke order project as well, as long as I feel I can make the images as good as the other people.
Hey Yug, I made an image for a Korean character, but it's probably not up to the Stroke Order Project standards yet, so I was hoping you could let me know how to better improve it so that I might submit some characters in the future.
http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Giuk_stroke.gif
Please reply on my page. I have already asked Swift to do the same.
Thanks for your reply. I am currently talking to Micheletb right now and trying to get some advice from him on how to make mine better and more suitable for the project. It's pretty sad two sections for images for Hiragana and Katakana are done, yet theirs only 1 character done for Hangeul. Somebody's gotta do it right? So I guess that's another reason why i'd like to contribute once I get my images looking better.
Also about the reply from the professor, this week was finals week for them, so I should get a reply in the next few days hopefully. I'll keep you up to date. Bluesoju (talk) 09:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Yug
I think what you're doing is really great. It can be very useful to know a foriegn language, even if you only know a tiny bit. Keep up the good work
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Thanks for the support... I still try to get some collaborators: I fill pretty lonely on this project.~ You encouragements are welcome ! Yug(talk)20:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please compare PNG (rendered with Inkscape) and SVG version. Just below big lake in center, there is a mountain range - хребет Азутау. Letter spacing is different in PNG (as in Inkscape) and SVG (in Firefox there is not letter spacing, also this text is not rendered in preview in commons). Thank you --Mikhail2009 (talk) 20:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for fixing its size, I have no idea why Illustrator makes it so huge. As you noticed I've also reorganised and added several other symbols (Channels and mountain passes). Though there might be a little problem here now, the words are broken into separate letters, and it'll be impossible to drag and edit them later. And in general the whole file is just a complete frustration for me, I can't figure out why while I am using the same fonts, they actually turn out different (Pacific ocean and Тихий океан). Several symbols just won't stay in their places and jump around (city marks, Jewish buildings symbol). --Ahnode (talk) 18:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The last (bottom) stroke in the top radical in the kana for "sa" in the svg is highlighted red. That is incorrect
"te" also has a problem: the length of the descending left stroke between the horizontal strokes are highlighted red. This is also incorrect. Can you amend the svg, upload, replace, delete the links to the files in the corresponding articles (wikipedia and anywhere else), and copypasta? Thanks.174.3.103.3904:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The image Chinese_calligraphy_scheme_03-en.svg contains an error. It says that characters are written in columns from left to right. It should be right to left. Asoer (talk) 04:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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I noticed that you are progressing animations, vector animations and that these are preferred. I have GIMP but am only a novice user. I am wanting to create animations for Tibetan letters and ligatures and maybe words. I would appreciate any advice you may give me because I am flying blind.
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BD is only in France and Belgium I think. In Italy they are fumetto, Germany has its own comic-culture too (I think), but its not that important. I don't know whats the Situation in Spain. Maybe you should only tag France, Belgium and Italy. Greetings --Don-kun (talk) 10:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi! There are two incorrect stroke orders in the image. メ and ヲ. The correct stroke order is [1] and [2]. It would be grateful if you could upload an image with correct strokes. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 06:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Bonjour Yug, may be you can help. Chanueting is asking me something but I do not understand him; it seems he dislikes the assignement of traditional radicals to a counting system — but may be as well he wants something else. I would like to help & satisfy him, but first I need to check what he wants really. Can you understand his problem? -- sarang♥사랑16:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello. Could you please have a look at this article? The map shows the red dot in the wrong place. Its supposed to be within Canada. You may verify via Google Earth. I thought you may need to know since you contributed to the image. Kind regards. Rehman(+)10:35, 5 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Bonjour Yug, Je te propose de voir ensemble les quelques améliorations à apporter à ton set.
Texte inclus dans les images : j'ai repéré des coquilles, mais pour te les signaler de façon commode, pourrais-tu ouvrir une page de brouillon et y verser le texte inclus dans chacune des image ? Tout compris : les titres, les légendes, les commentaires.
Liens Done : il y a des liens inopérants ou ne menant pas au contenu attendu dans la partie "source", cf. par exemple les liens n°1 et 4 des sources image pour File:East Asian calligraphy scheme 04-en.svg
Categorisation Done : il faudrait créer la Category:East Asian calligraphy tools (NB : la catégorie en rouge de tes images comporte une coquille, elle est au singulier et il la faudrait au pluriel comme ici proposé), puis y verser tes images (et les autres images de Commons pouvant entrer dans cette nouvelle catégorie), tout en retirant les catégories devenant redondantes. Je te donnerai ici aussi un coup de main au besoin.
J'ai changé une des catégories parentes de la nouvelle Category:East Asian calligraphy tools => Category:Calligraphy of East Asia au lieu de Category:Chinese calligraphy. Remarque : je pense qu'il ne faudrait pas insérer la partie "Four Treasures of the Study - labeled SVG diagrams" dans le texte de la page de catégorie elle-même. Pour la clarté de la navigation et de la recherche, mieux vaut ne pas mélanger ainsi catégories et galeries. De plus, la page présentant cette série y est bien signalée et facilement accessible. Par ailleurs, je vais sans doute te soumettre quelques images à verser dans la nouvelle catégorie.
Pour les coquilles, je vais voir ce que je peux faire (soit te les signaler une par une, soit tester Inkscape que je ne connais pas), mais j'aurais bien aimé faire relire à la fin par un contributeur de langue maternelle anglaise aussi. En tout cas, je vais regarder. --Myrabella (talk) 14:45, 20 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sur ma PDD dans fr:WP, tu trouveras les remarques d'Azurfrog, que j'avais sollicité :-) Je t'en signale une en particulier : "Les appeler East Asian calligraphy tools est en effet trop large : j'aurais dit Chinese-based calligraphy tools" => plus de détails sur ma PDD française. (A suivre !) --Myrabella (talk) 18:15, 20 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Je te propose de fermer cette nomination pour le moment, le temps de voir les remarques de Yug et les coquilles, quand tu seras dispo (j'espère que tout se passe bien pour toi en cette période d'exams ! Je te souhaite le meilleur). Tu pourras la renommer bien sûr, peut-être avec le "scope" proposé par Azurforg, mais je suppose que cela mérite discussion. --Myrabella (talk) 04:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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: From what I remember , 所 (specifically) use 戶 in both mainland (Simp) and Taiwan (trad). But I haven't immediate access to mainland's standard. With 戶, the stroke order is VERY LIKELY Pie-Pie-Hengzhe-Heng
: M4RC0 was working based on Japanese sources (see image on the right所-jbw.png), and there, Japanese may use 户. With 户, the stroke order is VERY LIKELY DIAN-Hengzhe-Heng-PIE.
OIC – that makes sense (M4RC0 confused Japanese stroke order with Chinese form). Thanks for fixing this, and your explanation – I’ve included both your images at English Wiktionary: 所!
However, a redirect was left behind, so if someone requests the (Chinese) stroke order, they are given the Japanese one, and may be mislead. (This is a problem on Wiktionary b/c if a stroke order file exists, we assume it is accurate. No crisis – I’ve the static Japanese order, and animated Chinese one, but this is a little confusing w/o the static Chinese one.)
If it’s not too much trouble, perhaps you could either:
create a correct File:美-bw.png (hopefully easy for you – I’m no expert on creating these stroke order images), or
The Chinese stroke order had the vertical stroke after the second horizontal stroke, but Japanese style had it after the first horizontal stroke. --Tomchiukc (talk) 06:51, 7 October 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello M. Yug,
My name is Rita Neves.
I work in Câmara Municipal de Lisboa, that is a Public Organism in Portugal.
Actually, we are working on a road book of Biodiversity of Lisbon, for which we are going to produce a panel and a brochure. We found your photos on Wikimedia Commons and liked specially one of them very much, so we would like to know if you could allow us to use your photos, for free, to publish on this project, knowing that the brochure of will be for free distribution to everyone.
The photo, on Public Domain, we would like to use are the following:
The brochure will have four brackets.
- Broochura a pocket to take the route
- A brochure to present the day of inauguration
- Schedules for species identification
- Panels that will be fixed in the Land
As i said the Free Access will be everything :)
We like to refer your name in the bibliografy but we need to know what´s the name you want on the bibliography? Yug?
If it´s possible please respond to ritasoraia2001 for hotmail com or rita.neves for cm-lisboa pt
Hello! I'm developing a web application for teaching learning to read/write Chinese. Your stroke order SVG is exactly what I need (though I'm converting to XAML) for a drawing tool. I'm curious if you are planning to put out an update any time soon, and if not, how you would like me to contribute back any modifications I will need to make.
Also, I'm making one xaml per radical, do you know what the best way to make them available, I was thinking I would just make them available for download with a reference back to your project.
I was just cleaning up some of the Chinese character animations, and noted an old category, the morder files. There were only two of these, both created by you, namely:
I assume “m” stands for “modern”, but AFAIK, the standard we’re using is that order (by itself) means “modern”, so there is no need for a morder category. Traditional stroke orders use torder, so if there are two orders (modern and traditional), they should be order + torder. There is also an aorder for alternative orders that are not just modern or traditional.
I have thus moved the morder files to aorder because I don’t know exactly where they should go; the files are now order + aorder (rather than order + morder).
If the morder files should instead be the default (and the current order files are instead the traditional order), we could move these as aorder → order, order → torder.
For your reference, here’s what we currently have:
學 Order: 學 Aorder:
問 Order: 問 Aorder:
Options:
Does it look ok as it is?
…or should I move aorder to order and order to torder?
…or maybe switch order to aorder and aorder to order?
Morder is the application of Mordern rules to traditional graphs. That's NOT a standards, that's when main china people write traditionnal characters, that's a mislading, but sometimes seen practice. Accordingly, aorder is, yes, better. Thanks for your initiative ;) Yug(talk)13:29, 1 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OIC – thanks for explaining (and for making these), and no problem!
(I’ve added a note on the pages of these animations to explain this.)
Yukon, Northwest Territories and Nunavut, Canada[edit]
Hi, there are several people myself included who would really find regional maps of these very useful. The problem is the projection, being close to the pole. I wondered if you could make some maps of these?80.3.26.5412:46, 26 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Static schematic maps and interactive maps at once. I observed my behavior - when I see on wikipedia or travel blog schematic map and I am interested in it I try to recreate such route on Google Maps to get more details about surrounding areas etc. It takes time. For example look at Pony Express map - it took long time for me to recreate Pony Express trail based on this historical map. On commons page you can click ShareMap link to navigate and zoom same route on interactive map. This part of project is ready and can be used on wikipedia
Creation of map animations, there is no good tool to create educational map animations in simple manner. The problem with wikipedia is that there is no good animation standard that can be used. Flash is not allowed on wikipedia as closed standard, PNG animations are obsolete and HTML5 animation are still at early phase. Example of such animation - creation of roman roads netword, timeframe 1000 years. (not ready yet)
Overlaying topographic and allowing user to georeference interesting points and recreate map in vector format. For example if user want to create wikiarticle - Quseir narrow gauge mining railwaysthis map will be very useful for him. (work in progress, will be completed soon)
ShareMap page is and will remain free for those who wants to publish on Creative Commons license
ShareMap page eventually may introduce paid service for people who wants to develop maps and embeed into their pages on proptriery license.
ShareMap page eventually may introduce ads on pages (but not on maps!) to handle server costs
ShareMap page will include donation option.
ShareMapLib which is core of ShareMap service can be licensed to be used in commercial projects (and now this is main source of revenue that finaces free section)
We are working on mechanism that will allow runtime importing tracks and shapes from OSM
ShareMap goal is not designed to be global mapping solution like OSM, however in the future it may be used to create complete OSM-like maps for historical data. At some point maybe Mapnik renderer will be used. Currently I am working on creation map of Warsaw street plan for year 1939, (basing on printed plan) (Warsaw was completly destroyed during WWII so street grid is totally different today) - overlaying street old grid on top of new grid (rendered by OSM) seeems to be interesting.
ShareMap can be used to things unsuitable for OSM - historical map, animated maps. For examaple we thing that if you are going to create now dismatled New York defunct tramway network map, ShareMap will be suitable tool.
Natural Earth is amazing data source of gis data on public domain license
SHP files it is rather difficault for begginers -
Some data from NE is already imported to ShareMap library (country borders in two scales)
In future more data will be imported - rivers, lakes
You are right that currently there are few graphical functions - the software is still in beta
Thanks for informations about discussion group, I will join it and ask community for suggestions. Waiting for your comments - if your prefer write at contactsharemap.org.
Hi, thanks for your reply - at this moment my business model is rather stable. What I need now is feedback from community - when you will have more time please write me an email.
contactsharemap.org.
--ShareMap (talk) 10:40, 12 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes you are right, that raster shaded relief is a good background for thematic and historic maps - I will examine how to create tiles with mercator projection using this software.
When I get tiles (like OSM tiles) integration with ShareMap.org will be very simple.
I think that you can add NORTAD dataset to your gis list - it has very good coverago of Mexico, US and canada railways and waterways. And it is published on license compatibile with Wiki Commons (US public domain). For experiments I imported NORTAD Canadian and Mexican railway routes into ShareMap and it looks very coverage. In some places coverage is better than OSM.
Hi I will be glad if you can give some more advices about generation of tiles for shaded relief. I think I have to avoid any desktop programs (like Gimp) and use only console one - then I will be able to run everything not on my personal computer but on the high performance server. Can you write me in short word as experienced in creating shaded relief
Which dataset I should download (ETOPO1 Bedrock?)
Which tool I should use to render relief (I think gdaldem)
Do you know how can I replace GIMP with ImageMagick command?
How can I result on multiple zoom level from 256x256 to 4096x4096 and split in tiles?
« L'archange cartographe est toujours là » !! LOL !! Merci, merci !! :D
Plus sérieusement, je suis là sans vraiment y être : vraiment pas beaucoup de temps à consacrer à WP en ce moment. J'en ai juste profité pour mettre à jour certaines cartes avec le Soudan du Sud parce que c'était assez rapide à faire mais je n'aurai pas le temps au moins durant le mois à venir de faire un travail plus en profondeur : cartes de géoloc de France, mieux voir ce que tu « trames » en GIS, voir ce qu'il en est de ShareMap... J'ai juste jeté un œil très très rapide sur ce dernier site, pas de quoi bien comprendre de quoi il en retourne exactement et me faire une opinion, donc j'attendrai d'avoir le temps pour me faire une idée et répondre au message que son auteur m'a laissé. Idem pour tes tutos avec QGIS : sur ce coup tu m'as devancé ! GRASS ne m'effraye pas, il m'énerve ! Donc il me semblait aussi judicieux de passer à un autre soft : QGIS qui semble avoir bien évolué ou peut-être aussi le récent SAGA GIS (mais qui ne tourne pas sur Mac). Mais encore une fois, je n'ai pas eu le temps de les installer et tester. Et par-dessus cela, un paragraphe GIS dans l'article cartographie que tu m'as demandé... il y a bien longtemps !!
Bref, je ne suis pas encore perdu pour la communauté, même si je suis peu actif par manque de temps !
Je serai aussi en France, en novembre-décembre, entre autres à Paris. Ce sera peut-être l'occasion de nous rencontrer !
Can you tell me how you solve in QGis depression/water problem. I see that you commented depression from color map. The problem is visible for example at Aral Sea area (which are mostly depressions without water, but some part of lake contains water)
Bonjour Yug, je vois que tu postules au Projet Phoebus, se dont je te remercie. Il y a une somme colossale de travail et donc tu serras bienvenu. Je vois que tu fais de bonnes photos et que tu es familier de COMMONS. L'idéal serait d'être toulousain... --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:33, 7 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Je suis à Bayonne, j'espère passer dans l'année sur Toulouse, sourtout s'il est possible d'avoir un canapé sur lequel dormir. J'avais encouragé à monter des projets similaires dès 2006-2007 (insectes, musés d'anthomologies), mais celà n'avait pas pris. Je pense que le projet Phoebus gagnerait à ajouter quelques méthodes, comme la photographie sur fond milimétré, ou la création de Macro studio. Voir Commons:Macro. A bientot, et merci pour votre initiative de qualité ! Yug(talk)16:08, 9 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Macro encyclo tools
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the Image:Macro A4.svg file, which when printed upon a A4 page, which provide: 1. a pre-cleaned up background ; 2. a scale all across the page. To use it: print it on an A4 page ; put your subject on your printed page ; shoot ;
Ton éloignement géographique est un problème. Nous cherchons des partenaires locaux qui pourront avoir les compétences photographiques, et la connaissance de COMMONS. Les conditions de prise de vues sont difficiles, il faut amener son matériel. Il faut aussi qu’un conservateur soit présent avec toi pour manipuler les objets. Nous avons plusieurs candidats pour la rentrée.
Par contre il semble possible de faire une opération ponctuelle comme celle qui avait été faite pour la préhistoire, avec la minéralogie. Il faudrait pour être « utile » faire 2 à 3 jours de saisi non stop. Tout cela doit être prévu à l'avance. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 15:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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I noticed you are very active as a map maker, so maybe you can help me out. I found on the web a global relief map overlay for Nasa World Wind [3]. The standard map making colours are used. It would be ideal for basic map use. So I contacted the author asking if it was in the public domain. He answered with "It isn't public domain, but it is free for non-commercial use. Please include a small, non-obtrusive caption on the images 'Courtesy PanglossTech.com' and a link to http://www.panglosstech.com/ in the citations of your page. The wording is flexible, but this should give you the idea".
I don't know much about licensing, but I thought maybe he's willing to release it for wikipedia maps. I'd like to ask him again, but I don't know what would be best to ask. Any idea? Machinarium (talk) 20:11, 31 January 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wikipedia sadly don't accept "Non-commercial license". I also complain about this situation. If the creator just want citation, then the CC-by-sa is perfect, it allow both non-profit and for profit usage, but force citation. Also, for-profit entities usually don't dare to share their sources, so they most of the time prefer to avoid CC-by-sa items. Your contact should thus not be worry of for-profit reutilisation, that should almost not happen. Yug(talk)13:40, 1 February 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Noté pour les cartes, c'est génial de voir que mon travail est étendu ! :D
Quelques notes :
Pour apprendre la Cartographie sous Inkscape : file:Tutorial-cartography (basic).svg (anglais comprehensible) avec des exercices inclus. Durée : 2 heures de lecture. Commentaires bien venus.
Inkscape > F2 : outil de manipulation des noeuds, creuses sont utilisation, cela permet déformer les lignes (frontières) ou de les cadres (légende) sans changer la largeur des bordures.
Frontières: Les frontières suivents généralement (toujours ?) les montagnes est rivières, le Bassin du Sichuan était donc très, très probablement 100% Qin,
Localisateur (rouge, sur le globe): auraient du être modifiés, avec Inkscape > F2.
Fleuves: a. cours modifiés (Huang He), bien vue ! b. Il semble que le Yangzi ait un bug.
Tu as très bien sourcé, impécable : )
Je prends note de ta suppression des villes actuelles (Shanghai), j'avais hésité.
Effectivement quelques réajustements de frontières s'imposent : le Qin de la fin des Royaumes combattants dominait tout le Bassin du Sichuan mais aussi les territoires à l'intérieur de la boucle du Huang He. Je corrigerai cela une fois que j'aurais plus de cartes à ma disposition, en sachant que je vais aussi modifier celle des Printemps et Automnes (pour y faire figurer le royaume du Yue qui est très important à la fin de la période). Pour ce qui est des villes modernes, je les ai supprimées pour faire moins lourd, mais c'est un choix critiquable (du point de vue didactique c'est toujours bien de laisser les villes modernes majeures). Sinon je voulais savoir si le fond de carte topographique est disponible en plus large (pour d'autres périodes de l'histoire chinoise) ; si jamais tu as repéré de bonne cartes topographiques vierges de la Chine sur Commons se serait sympa de me les indiquer. Zunkir (talk) 20:00, 25 February 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Salut Zunkir,
J'ai créé ce fond à 100%, c'est grace à des fichiers GIS topographique, ça aide, mais cela reste un gros travail artisanal. Cette carte est en projection lat-long (les méridiens sont parallèles), la projection la plus simple. Je souhaite faire d'autres vues, mais la question est délicate. Pour de plus grands espaces, cette projection est très déformante et feraient apparaitres certains espaces bien plus grands qu'ils ne sont. Les vues plus grandes demandent donc à passer à des projections complexes pour limiter ces effets de déformations, et je n'ai pas encore d'idée clair sur la projection à employé, ni comment "reprojeter" avec en:QGIS. C'est un petit travail de recherche (Quel projection, quelle formule?). Puis un travail de cartographie : maitriser la reprojection sous QGIS (reprojection) ; puis créer la carte SVG (vectorisation). J'ignore tout simplement quand je m'y remettrais avec succès. Pour l'instant, il y a déjà de quoi faire une petite série avec ce fond de carte ; )
Ok, je dois avouer que les détails techniques me dépassent, généralement je me limite au travail sur les frontières et la localisation des villes. Ce fond de carte est très bien, il me servira si jamais un jour je suis en mesure d'avoir le temps de m'attaquer à la refonte des articles sur les dynasties Han et Tang. Sinon je ne suis pas parisien, ni spécialisé dans les études chinoises (je ne parle pas cette langue, ce qui me limite forcément dans les contributions sur le sujet), j'ai juste choisi de transposer mon expérience sur les articles du Proche-Orient ancien (ma "spécialité" à l'époque de mes études d'histoire) pour quelques articles sur l'histoire de la Chine ancienne qui est un sujet que j'apprécie particulièrement et qui manque de contributeurs sur le WP francophone. Zunkir (talk) 13:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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If you insist that showing the +50 seats is important I have no objection but you must have noticed that the file is being used in multiple pages in multiple projects. Having the image change and not correspond to the color legends below it, is confusing and desruptive. If you want upload it in a new file and change it individually in whichever page you want, updating the legend accordingly.--Ferengi (talk) 16:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok, but please leave the original version available. It is a valid file and in the Greek Wikipedia users complained when they saw the +50 version and actually completely removed the image. I have no time to embark in editwarring with them, so either upload your version under a new title, or upload the old version under a new title. We need both versions. Thanks. --Ferengi (talk) 17:43, 18 June 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Bonjour. Si tu fais référence aux cartes sur l'histoire ancienne de la Chine, celles qui présentent les frontières et les localisations des anciens États sont sourcées. En revanche celles avec les sites archéologiques ne le sont pas, mais il me semble que ce n'est pas vraiment problématique si ce n'est pas sourcé. Zunkir (talk) 10:13, 5 August 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I just made a character image myself and loaded it onto Commons. Now I will see whether I can download it and get it to work on my own computer. You might try the same experiment if you have time.
Thanks.Patrick Edwin Moran (talk) 01:51, 6 August 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Interesting! Firefox does not download the file properly, but Safari does downlod it properly.
Thanks for your reply. I probably will not contribute SVG pix. I will possibly use some of them on my four-sided flashcard system and website, but I don't have time to work on even all my own projects. (http://www.china-learn.info/)
H. radiata does not occur in Kasten's key for spiders of the U.S. The Wikipedia article on genus Hogna says radiata is limited to Central Europe to Central Asia and Central Africa. So something growing in North Carolina could not be H. radiata.
Your first H. radiata photo shows a sort of series of rings rather like the yellow and black rings on many wasps and honey bees. See: http://ednieuw.home.xs4all.nl/Spiders/Lycosidae/Lycosidae.htm as this author is probably the best authority on European and Australian spiders with photos on-line. H. radiate is much larger than H. carolinensis, which is the largest wolf spider found in the U.S.
The spider I have identified as an immature H. carolinensis was put in that category for two reasons. One is that its "venter," i.e. the underside of the abdomen, and the underside of the rest of the spider were all solid black. The other reason is that spiders change in coloration as they make molt after molt. H. carolinensis should have a pretty solid black abdomen, and this spider does not. It might be a specimen of another Hogna species, frondicola, that I have seen around here and that has something like your spider's banded abdomen. On the other hand, the Bugguide.net picture of H. frondicola does not resemble either of my spiders very much. Maybe I misidentified the H. frondicula on the basis of a photo I found on-line somewhere that was itself mislabeled. The troubles are (1) that there can be considerable variation in the coloration of some spiders of the same species, and (2) there is no way to tell, off hand, which photos alleged to be authoritative are really correct. On top of that, the Wikipedia article on Hogna shows about three dozen species of Hogna... To make a solid identification you sometimes have to get a microscopic view of the sexual organs of the spiders, and maybe measure and count a bunch of other things that are hard to see on a living spider.
Yug5.jpg is, I think you now know, not a wolf spider but a Huntsman spider ....
like this one.
When I was visiting in Osaka I noticed a huge spider sitting on the upper left corner of a shop window. I approached it and it did not move. I took a pencil from my pocket and touched the eraser tip to the center of the window. The spider shot forth in a straight-line, no pause, attack on my pencil. I was so surprised that I jumped away. So the spider missed my pencil. I considered what might have happened if I had touched my finger down on the window. I went inside the shop and bought a soft drink so that I could get a cup to catch the spider in, but when I went back outside the spider had disappeared. When I got back to the U.S. I caught a similar spider when I was teaching in Arizona. I took it to the biology department at the university and they identified it as an Olios species, a kind of huntsman that is rather less easy to get along with than your spider, which is probably Heteropoda venatoria. I was amazed by the one in Japan because it was the only spider I had ever had "attack" me in all the years I have been playing with them. I bought a couple specimens and kept them until they both died of old age. They were always very unaggressive. They only wanted to get away from me. So, since H. venatoria is also the (non-native) kind that has become fairly common in Japan, I had to conclude that the "attacking" spider on the shop window had just made a prey mistake. (I remember that the sun was intense on that day. Probably the spider could see only the tip of the pencil and thought it was a fly.)
File:Hogna radiata (AF)-top 01.png
I believe our thinking about Wikipedia politics and some people with ego issues is the same. Sometimes people can be really nasty and I have to use what I have learned of mental coordination from 孟子 and the Daoists and the Zen Buddhists and the martial arts to keep from losing my temper. Somebody who is a good sociologist should make a study of power in the politics of Wikipedia. It should be very interesting. How do you get a reasonable process going in a rather anarchic domain? Some people have a kind of power that derives from their always being responsible and objective. Keeping one's ego out of interactions can be challenging, but it seems to be necessary. Here there is a great promise for availability of educational resources all over the world. I think back to the 1950s when I was trying to understand physics but living in a farm community near the geographical center of the U.S. and finding some books that were accurate and some that were pretty horrible--but they didn't come labeled. The amazing thing to me, and it probably should not be amazing, is that the really good physicists like Einstein and Heisenberg can write about the very difficult things and never unintentionally make a reader draw false inferences. Then there was, for me, the wonderful One, Two, Three...Infinity by George Gamow, a physicist who even cared to try to write for his son and for other young people. Patrick Edwin Moran (talk) 23:48, 6 August 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sections' s titles:Whenever you write such long answer, I encourage you to add section titles with bold, as I did. That help the reading for both me and you when you will come back read it in 2 weeks.
Short: or/and keep short messages. We have plenty of things to do here, I'm leading efforts on the Wikipedia Cartographic fields, studying, working. While its fun to read long stories, I can't do so, so longer messages risk to not get fully read. ~
ACC images: ok, feel free to reuse our SVG or the source ! there are thousands of bitmap glyphs in Richard Sears' website, and he is pretty ok to let's people make a personal use of them.
Shooted in France, Yug — suspected H. Radiata A.F. (adult female)
Shooted in France, Yug — suspected H. Radiata A.F.
Shooted in ???, Patrick — suspected H. Carolinensis I.M.
Shooted in ???, Patrick — suspected H. Carolinensis I.M.
Spider — Japan/Taiwan: it seems we have in common some time spent in the Japanese geological archipel, since Yug5 was indeed shot in Taiwan. The shoot is sadly quite unencyclopedic. The Spider was SO big —about 30cm wide thanks to its legs—, than I was not allowed to manipulate it and put it in a correct position.
Shooted in Taiwan, Yug
???
Last: if you are retired and have enough money to do so, then look for a Digital Camera doing good macro-photographies. Mine was 500US$, it's limits for still correct work was on sunny days and >1cm long insects. Can't go below. Changeable lens camera body (starting at 500 US$) can host macro lens (starting about 500 US$) which allow to push toward smaller subject, and better images. This (1000$) was not in my budget for an 'out of workdays hobbies'. But your case may be different ;)
Hi, Yug!
I've uploaded updated world map (BlankMap-World6.svg) via link that you suggested, but still do not see it on the file page.
Do I need to do anything else? Thnx! (Konstantin Burov)
Canuckguy, I can't update the description but the changes are as following: cleansed inkscape related tags so the file now passes W3G SVG validation, converted all relative coordinates into absolute so the file is parsable by the nugsl-worldmap script again. Fixed version of the script is available at Bitbucket. --Konstantin Burov (talk) 09:05, 1 December 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Unfortunately I lost the svg file of the Roman Empire map when I switched to my new computer 4 months ago. I thought I saved it somewhere on a memory stick, but I can't find it. I'm sorry, perhaps I will remake the map from scratch in the coming weeks. However I see there's a problem with the wiki svg renderer. I can't upload a proper svg for my general map of Romania either: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Romania_general_map-en.svg
From the article you showed me I understand that it's fine if I use the Lambert azimuthal equal-area projection for European general maps. Do you think I should change the projection?
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Did you get the grant you requested on Wikimedia for your project on maps? If so, can you inform us on (or just me) on the progress you make. I am very interested. Citypeek (talk) 06:58, 25 October 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am new to Wikimedia and am not sure how to send you a private message, preferably an e-mail (I'm not even sure if this is a private message). If you can get a private message to me, containing your e-mail, I will be able to send you a permission form, required by my editor. I apologize for my ineptitude and thank you for your willingness to share your excellent map.
Bonjour, j'ai trouvé cette carte dans l'article fr:Oïdium avec comme légende « Carte de France de l'oïdium », mais je me demande de quel oïdium il s'agit; La source que tu indiques étant le CETIOM, je suppose qu'il s'agit de l'oïdium du colza, peux-tu le confirmer car je n'ai pas réussi à retrouver cette carte de répartition sur leur site. merci. Spedona (talk) 07:32, 10 October 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Regarding your reversion of my deletion here ([4]), the original uploader described the image as "Rassemblement solidaire pour les attentat du 7 Janvier 2015 à la rédaction de "Charlie Hebdo" " which (to my rough ears) translates as "Rally of solidarity regarding the attack on 7 January 2015 over the Charlie Hebdo compositions." I see no evidence that the anonymous user who appended the description ([5]) was the original uploader or the figure in the photo. Regardless, he added "La page du magazine représente un musulman embrassant le caricaturiste Charb accompagné de la note "L'amour plus fort que la haine"." which is NOT the same as the English translation he gave: "The journal main page display a muslim man (and NOT the prophet of Islam) kissing French caricaturist Charb, together with the line "Love stronger than hate"." I want to know why you reverted my deletion since: asserting that the figure is "NOT the prophet of Islam" is not attributable simply from looking at the photo, neither is the English translation an accurate one, and there is no evidence that the man kissing is Charb--they are unsourced, original-research allegations. -- Veggies (talk) 11:44, 11 January 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Veggies : Because I'am French, there have been TV talks about these very well know drawing, so it's important to says it's NOT the prophet so hateful extremist don't use this drawing as a reason to harass some christians or artist around the world. It's our duty to not encourage misreading / misuse of it. Yug(talk)17:54, 11 January 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Hi thanks for all the maps of China, would like to make a request[edit]
Would you be interested in creating a map of Tang China with the names of important places like cities, protectorates, and garrisons? I've noticed that there is a map of the circuits, but not the cities, protectorates, and garrisons themselves. Seems like a big gap there imo. Thanks for all your work.
How are the stroke order animations created? What tools are there? Is it manual work, or is there some code language that can be used for automatic rendering? My interest is Latin and Cyrillic handwriting. Some individual letters are found in category:Cursive, but it would also be interesting to generate animations for whole words, as the connections between individual letters can vary. --LA2 (talk) 07:27, 13 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That image was nominated 10 December, removed 15 days later without any comments. It was originally a print, with rounded corners, that was laid on a grey surface and rephotographed. It is really small and of poor quality, it looks like a bunch of people sitting around on the pavement near the Eiffel Tower and at the time Civa nominated it, it had become unused - most likely due to the poor quality of the image. I don't see any encyclopedic use of the image, especially with the small size and as such supported Civa's nomination. Please do not post on Closed Deletion Nominations. You know our names, please leave messages for us outside of the DN's. Thanks!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:19, 15 January 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Just thought I should let you know that your map contains a number of spelling mistakes and geographic errors. I suggest you fix these as soon as possible.
- Macro areas in Chinese history (there should be no comma after this sentence)
- From the long Chinese and East Asian history, we can find out several historic macro areas -> Several historic macro areas can be identified in the long history of China and East Asia
- Manchuria plains -> Manchurian Plain (or, preferably, Northeast China Plain)
- Desert and Oasis -> Desert and oasis
- Tibetan plateau -> Tibetan Plateau
- Loess plateau -> Loess Plateau
- Chinese Plain -> Central Plain (or Central Chinese Plain)
- Nanzhao Plateau -> do you mean Yunnan-Guizhou Plateau (云贵高原)? There is no such thing as 南诏高原
- Southern hills -> do you mean Southeast Hills (东南丘陵)? There is no such thing as 南边丘陵
- Vietnam plains -> what do you mean by this? I can't find any information on this term you used
- Korean peninsula -> Korean Peninsula
- Japanese archipels -> Japanese Archipelago
- firmly control, occupied, populate and integrate -> totally controlled, occupied, populated and integrated
- never firmly control -> never totally controlled
- Chinese space and neighbourgs across history In order of 1st firm conquest or submission : -> Chinese territory and neighbours throughout history, in order of first total conquest or submission
- Zhou: Chinese plain -> Zhou: Central Plain
- Qin: Loess plateau, Sichuan, Southern Hills -> Qin: Loess Plateau, Southeast Hills
- Han: Tarim desert and Oasis -> Han: Taklamakan Desert and Oasis
- Tang: Steppes, Tibetan plateau, Nanzhao plateau, Vietnam -> Tang: Steppes, Tibetan Plateau, Yunnan-Guizhou Plateau, Northern Vietnam
- Culturally: Korea, Japan, and Vietnam had widely copied and adapted Chineses systems. -> I recommend you remove this line as it does not seem to have any relevance to the map.
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Hello, can you update the Northern Raqqa offensive map? The second phase started on 10 December and SDF have captured 20 villages since then in its western countryside and advancing along the western road. I'm sure you can find sources online by yourself for it. Please do update it. 124.253.252.21211:55, 16 December 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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SDF has enlarged Raqqa offensive and has launched a new front to the countryside north of Deir Ez-zor. They however call it part of the same phase but as a "second step". The position if new assault is located near that big bulge of SDF territories to north of Deir Ezzor. I think the map for the offensive needs to be enlarged. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 18:19, 17 February 2017 (UTC) MonsterHunter32 (talk) 18:19, 17 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
MonsterHunter32: Agree, I got this in mind too. The background is not from me, but I will ask out.
Also, I wanted to clarify with you that I don't consider the dam as controlled by the SDF, by I consider they control (have firing power) over their side of the river, upon the North bank. Thus the current line upon the dam. --Yug(talk)10:58, 20 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry but it's the third phase, well at least they say so. The goal is still capturing countryside to east of Raqqa even though it is nearer to Deir ez-Zor than Raqqa. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 17:51, 20 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's been a week now Yug since I messaged you about it, 4 days since you messaged him. I wonder why Penguin hasn't enlarged it. If he or others don't do it by next week, then I will have to do it myself and I'm not perfect which is why I asked you in the first place. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 06:28, 24 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
MonsterHunter32, map background are not so easy to do. Could take about +1hours of settings to get a clean result, and this is volunteer activities. Please bear a while, as the map is still quite fine. :) Yug(talk)10:44, 24 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am not here for listening to complaints. Everybody has problems. The edits I do take time too. Not just editing and adding them, but finding out what's notable and proper reliable sources as well. Sometimes it takes hours. But it doesn't deter me because someone has to maintain the articles and it's fun sometimes. SDF has opened a fourth front to northeast of Deir Ezzor after closing the ISIL pocket in far east of Raqqa. This is getting too late. Either you do it by this week or I do it. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 17:07, 24 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, we will have to find a way due to this front 4th. Yet it's good to remind ourselves that we are in a community of volunteers, we cannot expect right on time or dutyfull contributions from volunteers. We only can 'hope' they do, and be thankful when they do. --Yug(talk)18:06, 24 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
SDF has started a fourth front in the third phase right next to its bulge in the east and at the eastern edge of the pocket it recently captured. It is advancing towards Raqqa-Deir ez-Zor road. Please add that as well. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 17:12, 25 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I also saw some opposition to that. I think this will clear itself soon when it will really happen. I currently don't know where should I stop tho... Yug(talk)19:56, 5 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you want to go ahead immediately, open the map in Inkscape and use the Edit Node [F2] tool :
(F2) : Edit nodes : allows us to smooth the curve of lines. moving nodes allows us to reduce/expand lines and objectswithout reducing/enlarging their borders
I'll try doing it myself today. If I think I cannot properly do it, then I will stop doing it. If I do not upload a map by tomorrow, then that means I've stopped doing it. And I think it might likely happen and I'll give up. Regardless, when you make corrections to the map please just draw the advance to Euphrates near Raqqa a little back and extend the territory of one near Deir ez-Zor a little bit around the Euphrates bank and change the dates. Also Gubar (another name for al-Kubar) was only captured yesterday 9 March - (http://en.hawarnews.com/two-villages-liberated-in-operation-wrath-of-euphrates/). Please make these corrections. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 01:47, 10 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So! I updated the map and added a legend (under test). I didn't went (yet!) through your specific suggestions as I was catching back on last week events, together legend's design. Workday starting, must go ! Yug(talk)09:47, 13 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't want to sound rude but honestly I can only describe the map changes as poorly done. You have drawn the yellow color back a bit to correct the area under their control. The arrow showing the direction of the advance and the purple looped border showing the area captured in that direction still remain changed. Even I could change the colored area and even the looped purple border, I only had problem with drawing back the arrow. If you cannot do it, then you should have simply said so. I will ask MrPenguin to draw it back if you cannot do it or don't have time. It's not like it's a rush but the sooner it is done the better, so please reply if you cannot draw back either the arrow or the looping purple borderline. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 17:44, 13 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also you seem to have made a mistake. You have closed off the far-eastern pocket of ISIL. However, there is no report that it was closed. I think you are relying on this report by Al-Masdar. However, it only mentions 4 villages being captured and all of these are actually right alongside the bank of Euphrates. Please recolor the pocket back to ISIL control. Thank you. MonsterHunter32 (talk)
Hello,
For the map control area, I was formerly daily scanning news article to identify just-conquered villages, spending hours a weeks just for data gathering. I ended up for few weeks with same conclusions as those from syriancivilmap.com and isis.liveumap.com... So I know mainly rely on them, then wait few days the news to spread online to more mainstream sources so I can upload these changes to commons while respecting Wikipedia's expectations. When under pressure (limited private time and huge map backlog to check up), I go ahead and draw as these sources says.
For the pocket and arrow, ok to do this. Feel free to add to the SVG dots for villages (white for SDF controled, grey for ISIS), names / date of take over. A picture worth thousands words. --Yug(talk)13:40, 14 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok, thanks for the edits ! I get what you wanted now. Please check out my update in the file's history to see if it's what you wanted. --Yug(talk)14:04, 14 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I corrected the arrow, lopped purple border and the dotted line border as well as the text placement. I do not use maps like syriancivilwarmap or liveuamap for maps as they largely seem to be based on sources like Twitter or other people. It is better that you do not use these and not rely on them as they can be inaccurate and uncertain. I did try to collect information myself, but there seems to be no confirmation that the pocket is closed. Regardless, I'll try to see. if no reliable or very reliable source shows it as captured, then I'l change it or have someone else do it. i have taken them time to correct the arrow and looped borders though as it seemed odd that they are ahead of the colored area confirmed under SDF control. I'll see about the far-east pocket later if any reliable source confirms it. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 14:23, 14 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Behind twitter are real persons and testimonies. I see the work of SCWM.com and liveumap as classic journalism : collecting both public sources and anonymous sources, cross checking them, coming to the most likely conclusion. Both SCWM.com and liveumap are quite accurate, just a bit ahead of news medias and subject to minor missteps, as major news medias. --Yug(talk)15:06, 14 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Alos it seems now I was right about some villages. Al-Masdar reported Khas Ujayl and Khas Hibal as captured on 10 March. But two different sources, Hawar News and SOHR reported Khas Ujayl as captured on 12 March: Hawar News, SOHR. Also Al-Masdar itself reported Khas Hibal captured on 14 March. South Front too reported this. Both also report Al-Kulayb grain silos as captured by SDF, an area which Al-Masdar itself claimed was captured by SDF on 21 February in which it also claimed it reached the northern bank of Euphrates. The only problem seems to be Al-Masdar itself and some of the sources like syriacilwarmap and liveuamap which are twitter-based. Also another thing to note is that now even South Front and Liveuamap has shown the far-eastern pocket under SDF controlled all of a sudden since yesterday though I cannot find any reliable source stating they have been captured or ISIL retreated. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 12:31, 15 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As for the pocket, i'am pretty sure it's simple logical deductions from SCWM and LUM. We now know how the SDF's pince and ISIS villages fighters plays : SDF lock up the pocket, local ISIS members surrenders nearly without fighting. As they are in the news sector, breaking the news stays important so when the logic is strong they likely go ahead without your safe wiki-culture prudence.
As for the map design / source, please feel free to not strictly sources your requests here on my talkpage. This energy is better spent on the map itself or better, on the wikipedia article. Your position and mine are nearly 99% similar, and the map design is indeed, at its core, an trial to map the reality without any chance to be completely faithful anyway. Yug(talk)15:01, 15 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You may be right about ISIL in pockets surrendering and/or retreating. But I think it's better to be sure. If they have indeed surrendered, then some reliable source will show a map at some time showing them under SDF control as happened with the western Raqqa counryside. That is why I want to wait. I cited about incorrect reports of Al-Masdar just to say that we shouldn't rely on it much. Thank you for the friendly cooperation anyway. I think it's better in the future if everyone coordinates on the changes in map. If there is a dispute then everyone should solve it together, it's more productive. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 17:25, 15 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
MonsterHunter32, I uploaded a new version of the map. I noticed only after my own upload than you made one upload yesterday. Please could you review it. Also, as the SDF is confirming its advances on the Deir zor to Raqqa highway (Silo's ping-pong => Hamad => Judaydat Mukhayt), I closed down the ISIS pocket north of it. I also corrected some bugs, added the helicopter / boat landing South of the Raqqa lake, since the main stream medias swiftly reported it. Yug(talk)18:29, 22 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't understand what confirmation you are talking about? There's only one village that's been ping-ponged it seems, that is Hamad Assaf which is reported liberated 2 times by reliable sources. Besides where is your source for the pocket? MonsterHunter32 (talk) 20:56, 22 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hamad and the Silo are 1km away, yes, they were the ping-pong i was referring to. As for the ISIS pocket, namely some farms in the deserts, we cannot continue to seriously consider them further as lands controlled by ISIS. We will not leave this area under ISIS colors until a main stream source names these exact farms. Properly cleaned up by the SDF or not, it is now more safe and realistic to consider this specific pocket under SDF influence than under ISIS's one. Yug(talk)13:23, 23 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi. According to the SDF, the advance south to Tabqa Dam (and possibly the southern Raqqa countryside) is a part of Phase 4 of their offensive. So could you please change the Tabqa Dam advance arrow color to a 4th color (maybe green or blue)? Thank you. LightandDark2000 (talk) 22:25, 22 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
1) Phase 4? : Except rumors, I'am not aware about an official Phase 4. So I will keep the recent Tabqa moves in purple, as part of Phase 3. If Phase 4 is real, please share the source, and update the Wikipedia article accordingly.
2) Tabqa front : I would like include the takeover of the military base. This has been rumored and is likely to make it to some correct news sources today.
3) Raqqa-Deir Zor front: The troups link-up has been rumored. But do we have confirmation ?
NB: I'am numbering my questions and using bold titles so you may answer back in superbrief YES/NO mode. Feel free to keep it short and time savy. --Yug(talk)07:11, 26 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay... Apparently, Phase 4 has not yet been confirmed. The current Tabqa operation is still under a lot of media blackout, but I think that Phase 4 was meant to be the operations for besieging Raqqa from the south. I could be wrong, but perhaps we'll see in the coming days. LightandDark2000 (talk) 07:23, 26 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Note: I also find it logical for the Tabqa moves to be Phase 4. But as a surprise attack, and as a fact, they didn't come with a pause and an official announcement as usual. So as of now, I doesn't satisfy the criteria we previously accepted for new phases. --Yug(talk)07:45, 26 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We can't add a Phase 4 based on our own reasoning. I don't see any source announcing it except the Twitter posts as usual. Also Phase 2's end goal was clearly securing Tabqa dam though it was put off till now it seems. Regardless we don't need it. As for the Tabqa military airbase the claim of capture has been informed to be fabricated (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/kurdish-forces-close-isis-controlled-tabqa-airbase-amid-blitz-offensive-raqqa/). If it had been, it would have already been announced by multiple news agencies by now. We should avoid things like Syriancivilwarmap and Twitter in case of major advances like the airbase. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 10:48, 26 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok! Upload done. Points 1), 2), 3) have main stream media sources since yesterday evening. I will continue to monitor the situation and collect map data in coming days. As I'am out from a light chirurgical operation last Tuesday, I will return to my healing ! :) Next update will be slower to come (like this one)--Yug(talk)09:51, 27 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the updates. There's one more thing. ISIL have attacked Suwayda al-Kabirah in the west a lot of times, before that Jabaar area. Even reported in control for a while some times before SDF was reported in control again. As you have shown the major ISIL counterattacks in the east, please also show one in the west as it has occurred many times. The western counterattacks are already recorded in the article if you are wondering about aources. Thank you. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 19:14, 29 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, there. Now that the 4th Phase of the Raqqa campaign is official, I was thinking maybe blue for Phase 4 and green for Phase 5 (to capture Raqqa city, assuming that there won't be a 6th phase)? It would factor in almost all the remaining colors of the rainbow, and the colors would work more smoothly with the others that are already in use, in the format. LightandDark2000 (talk) 10:55, 17 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Instead of a Raqqa city map, the battle for which I think will anyway have a separate article, I think it's better that we did a map for capture of Tabqa and its dam. As for Phase 4-B, I'm ok as long as you can make the distinction from Phase 4-A clear. Maybe a darker green color will help? MonsterHunter32 (talk) 23:04, 10 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Since the SDF has recently announced the beginning of the "Final Phase" to capture Raqqa city (following their recent advances that allowed them to secure most of the Raqqa countryside), I'm thinking that maybe you should use a deep blue color for all of the remaining advances in this operation. It seems that the SDF plans to capture all of Raqqa city (and maybe complete the siege of Raqqa from the south) during Phase 5. LightandDark2000 (talk) 20:31, 8 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi. For the detailed city map involving the Battle of Raqqa (2017), can you please change to background for the ISIL-held areas to a shade of black? This is to keep it consistent with the current version of the larger-scale Raqqa Campaign map, and because the detailed Raqqa city map is currently being used on the Syrian Civil War map module, since the white background filling may confuse some readers who view that page. Also, I'd like to suggest that you change the colors for the Phase 5 advances to the same shade of blue being used in the Raqqa Campaign map, again for consistency, and because the new color will help distinguish to viewers the fact that the current advances in Raqqa city are all a part of Phase 5 of the campaign. Thanks. BlueHypercane761 (talk) 20:51, 14 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Hello Yug, I saw your name on the Commons:Ancient Chinese characters project and would like to ask your help after hours of frustration unsuccessfully trying to create a small seal graph on Inkscape. I want to include both seal graphs in a WP article I've started about the lang'gan 琅玕 gemstone. The Commons already has File:琅-seal.svg but not the 玕 seal (internationalscientific.org s00236). If you have time, would you be able to make this conversion to svg? Best wishes and thanks, Keahapana (talk) 01:10, 14 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Hi, If I didn't leave a message it could've come across as "a devious and sneaky nomination" so I thought it was only fair I left a message :), Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk18:04, 3 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, definitively ! I don't take the RfA failure and ongoing canvassing feud personally. But I also will not let people unfairly accuse me, there is something toxic going on with RfA and canvassing (which has also spined out of control due to my combativity), and as well let it burst. It's pretty clear the community of active users on RfA is under stress, rude, and haven't time to mentor up its applicants. That's pretty annoying (for commons). I will survive tho~ Yug(talk)18:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Steinsplitter: : There is my global rational. It seems pretty clear that there is high stress level around the RfA and in the community of administrators. The mass of work given most current admins are long term zombie admin is visible. It would be beneficial to have a conversation on the rate of RfA entrances vs RfA exits within the comunity, and given the growth of Commons from 3millions files in 2008 (86 entrances) to 50 millions in 2017 (12 entrances).
If you like due procedure, please consider reading this discussion, about Krd publishing my RfA without my knowledge, thus starting the vote count down while the RfA was clearly under writing. Good will edit, but RfA votes are biased due to such starts.
Please, also let me know if both Dave2010 and yourself want to slow down my activity on RfA-related pages, since you two are currently doubling the cost of my edits in the field based on quite light personal preferences. The switch to numbered list should take 2 minutes on 2 page, we are now at +30mins and counting.
Hi. I'm sorry to say I see real problems with your instructional page on Macro photography. Perhpas you could try to improve the quality? It is not, in my opinion, a good start to the article to use your image of Hogna radiata which wouldn't even get QI status. And I do not approve of putting insects in the fridge. Many thanks, Charles Charles (talk) 23:13, 16 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok, so you don't like insects.
Afterward, please bee more specific so improvment can be done.
Last, it's a wiki, the page is not mine anymore, as long as you improve the quality of it i will be ok for changes. Preferential changes without real added value may be reverted, naturally (see "it's a wiki"). --Yug(talk)08:32, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's a bit early as we just started to announced it to others, but frankly I don't think it to be controversial and I'am happy you push forward. Given the clear view provided by Template:Chinese_characters_naming, we can push for the 2 small categories (-spring : 40, -warring: 166), then wait 1 month to see who will fall screaming upon us from the far far away margins of the Wikimedia galaxy. Meanwhile we could contact bot masters in order to get a bot ready for mass renaming, so in late Feb or early March we can move the 1617 -bronze-shang 2617 via bot. Sounds good ? Yug(talk)11:46, 22 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
PS: my apologies for the many edit on your talkpage last week, I was full speed and absorbed by that topic, I didn't think about the noise. Very sorry. Your multi-thanks was a witty way ^^
There are not many files to move. Files with -shang, -sa, -w are mostly uploaded by me. There are only 18 files need to move in Category:Spring and Autumn script characters (which only contains 45 files in total). Category:Shang script characters script characters fill with oracle, and Category:Warring States script characters is basically the same. Maybe a bot can speed up the process, and I agree to use it if you feel it is necessary.
Oh, acutually sorry about that.:) I was attempting to thank the first major edit, but I thought I can also thank those minor ones. However, they were too many, and I can imagine it may be disturbing... --Wargaz (talk) 12:29, 22 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
1) Ok. We move these tiny category this week. 2) I know switches from Javascript, I just discovered those Wiki switches but I think it could do what we want more elegantly. --Yug(talk)21:33, 22 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Credit for work on Wikipedia Commons Stroke Order Project[edit]
Hi Yug, a well-known author would like to use some of the Chinese character stroke sequences (with stroke order indicated with progressions from black to red) as examples of good design in a forthcoming book. The Wikipedia Commons Stroke Order Project lists you as a primary contributor of these images and we'd like to be able to give you credit by name in the references of the book, if you would like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlefish000 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 22 June 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Littlefish000: , hello. I'am only one of the contributors. Since there is one or two dozen of authors, I encourage you to cite the project itself in your thanks.
Illustrations : CJK Stroke Order Project, Wikimedia Commons.
Depending on the characters you want to document, some few characters may be missing, and you may need to hire a graphist.
Hello Geographyinitiative, I intended this graphic to be illustrative/representative/symbolic of the general structure of characters, this 火/豎 issue is not to read as informative of the 火 character's structure. Yet, feel free to edit the file if you want to : it's a wiki.
Hey- I was just looking at your translated map File:Chinese plain 5c. BC-en.svg, and I wanted to mention that Wuhan seems a little too far to the south. Wuhan is located on the mouth of the Han River. Am I looking at this wrong, or does this need fixing? --Geographyinitiative (talk) 06:02, 23 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yanzi ? Oh god.......... This need to be fixed yes. I would suggest Yangzi since Yangtse is an old, supersede transcript (Wade-Giles) which is not in usage anymore. China now use Pinyin, for consistency, let's use Pinyin as well. I will try to fix this when possible (I have an Inskape bug right now, crash on opening, may need Ubuntu reinstallation) Yug(talk)14:27, 26 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Hi Yug, you are again caring for ACClicense? Do you have any opinion about the parameters "draw" and "stroke"?
Another user could not understand that stroke is necessary for categorizing, and draw is a (less important?) information he wants; so he mixes up these both parameters, and categorizing becames difficult or wrong. -- sarang♥사랑08:38, 10 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There have been a talk about clerical script so I'am going into a 1~2 days sprint to clean the mess. Clerical has really few files, about 40+ ? But most of them are for illustrative purposes on en:Template:Hanzi_styles and translated versions, therefor use a really old naming conventions, categorization, not aligned with ACC. So I went to clean these up by adding the now rich and complex {{ACClicense}} template and values to half of them (effort ongoing). Doing so... reading the doc, the `stroke` and `draw` indeed confused and still confuse me. I first cleaned up the documentation's table style, so the lines are more distinct and the doc attracts contributors more, but this table wording should still be improved further. Maybe with an example column for 嗎/吗 ? I'am also considering a "type" (string, integer) and/or range ([oracle, seal, ...]) columns. Similar to this practice on this ACC script I published. Will see, but clarity must be increased. Yug(talk)08:54, 10 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To use ACClicense for a letter with an existing category is no problem, you will not need all the parameters; and the clericals are all categorized, so no "cat", "stroke", "rad" is necessary – these are just for non-radicals, to draw with "rad"+"stroke" where stroke is > 0.
@Sarang: I'am noticing user Frigoris is doing some good contribution (Special:ListFiles/Frigoris). He pointed out that what we call Clerical is actually a Qing dynasty-stylized version of the actual, highly variable Han dynasty clerical. He he contributing in this later direction *-clerical-han.svg & Category:Clerical Han script characters. Yet I don't see per-glyph-source in his upload. If any, do you have a recommendation on were to put such link + id + text in the {{ACClicense}} template ? Yug(talk)19:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yug: Retagging could be done with VFC? Renaming: sorry, I don't have. There are others with bots, but when it is only a few files, by hand will be swifter.
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It's so great to hear from your! I'm so thrilled to hear about the amazing progress that the « Lili » community has made. When I visited you in the fall, I had the distinct impression that the technical side and the need for some programming were the major barriers for us. It's wonderful to hear that Wikimedia France has helped fund the project. Really hope the best for the project and now I'm checking out all the wonderful changes and looking forwards to a even better future developments. I wanted to ping this reply, but I don't know the format form commons, so I'm just leaving this note on your talkpage. Languageseeker (talk) 02:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, we are day after day unlocking technical issues and providing a smoother user experiences. Lists in 1000 languages will be added shortly (days?), providing a smooth walking path for our audio contributors.
Lili here stands for LinguaLibre. As we started to use the acronym LL as an emerging quick shortcut, an Indian user came with this nickname idea, and it's quite elegant indeed. If I remember well, he pointed out that "LL" is read "Lili" (Leelee) in some Indian language, so we could as well write Lili rather than LL. We adopted this elegant idea. All in all, it's Wikimedia (France) tool to makes rapid audio recording of words and sentences possible and fairly easy. You may want to check it out too Yug(talk)13:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok, I informed KaMan and Poemat (two other Polish speakers), and made a copy of my cache. There is the main page (in Polish) there, Special:Version content with a list of installed extensions and libraries, a list of the Module: namespace, and many random files (icons, etc.). Please let me know of any news. Olaf (talk) 11:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Yug, depending that template may I remind you on Template:Information/doc#permission: when a license is stated below, never fill the |permission= field with comments. The cleaning script will remove such wrong entries, including the parameter (when there is a separate license header, the |permission= is obsolete - and it should not contain other license-dependent parts as "Trademarked"). -- sarang♥사랑06:59, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
NO, it is not ok. Please never write "see below" or anything else when there is a license below! Just let empty the parameter value, or remove the whole parameter |permission= because it will never be needed when a license follows. -- sarang♥사랑12:45, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
now seems to have reached a certain state. I hope that I understood your intentions - at least the main line? Should it somehow be connected with {{PD-font}}, or had it just been copied from? And how about filename parsing? -- sarang♥사랑12:37, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sarang: , true. This is currently a new license template with #ifs.
Maybe i have to think this differently : stating the source + conditionally calling a license template from those already in use. Yug(talk)13:04, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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About the Future of the Stroke Order Project[edit]
Firstly, thank you for creating this great project and for your support. But there are things that I want to discuss...
I want to take over the project's animated images, by becoming the new leader of the Stroke Order's animated images.
And as a leader I have a proposal, but before explaining it, these are my reasons:
Right now my goal is to learn Chinese, but the creation of the -order.gif images delays my studies. I have created great images, but there were a price to pay: the process is laborious, painstaking, slow and tedious in some cases.
I never told anything but from the very beginning(when I entered the project), I felt that the first guidelines were puzzling, I though it would be something provisional, but the years passed and they never got improved. So in conclusion the creation of an image wasn't something easy, and to top that the instructions weren't even clear.
You told me about attracting new contributors. Well, maybe if the creation of the animated images were simpler, there would be more contributors.
Now that I have explained my reasons, my proposal is that there be a new Animated format, which be simpler and easy to do. And to be equally valid as the previous format. So with that in mind, I set about creating one. And these are the results:
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Note: The Stroke Order's Page says "This project aims to create a complete set of high quality and free illustrations to clearly show the stroke orders...", so this image meets that goal.
This new format gets rid of the kaishu(calligraphic) style, that in my humble opinion, was not necessary.
On a second thought, I am in a dilemma. To continue working as always? or to follow my new proposal?
If I continue working as always, there will be more beautiful images, but it's creation will be slow. I don't think there will be any new contributor.
If I follow my proposal, I can create images faster(that won't fit with the previous ones) and advance in my Chinese study. Maybe there will be new contributors.
For stroke-by-stroke animations, we already have the barely started *-sbs.gif series. Category:Sbs stroke order images has 4 files so far.
For stroke order animations in general, I must signal you that our COMMONS:SOP is very 2000s and now superseded. As deeply wished and expected, in late 2010s, some open project finally mass produced thousands free CJK animations. See MakeMeAHanzi data (~7000 characters), which has allowed the raise of animCJK for Japanese/Chinese/Korean variants and Hanzi Writer for web integration. Some Anki decks for Chinese language are now using those codes and animations. Those animations are in Kaishu (regular) style, the best balance for stroke order teaching and elegance. These projects have officially been inspired by the international work of the Commons:SOP, where wikimedia volunteers were working image after image, by hand. Due to font license restrictions, importing the vector files from those project into Commons is ambiguous. But raster version are safe (.png, .gif).
Overall, the Commons:SOP has therefor largely been moved to dormant status in past decade. We do periodic clean up or push for mass producing raster png or gif animations images from those projects. Yug(talk)17:03, 25 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
About the sources you mentioned, I don't know how to take advantage of that to learn with the Anki. In my Anki I can only add .gif and .png formats.
Very good Yug, thank you for your opinion, but I am still on a dilemma: I still like working on the kaishu animated series (despite of the animation process), but at the same time I want to progress on my Chinese studies. I see that my idea can still be on the project, so for now I will take both options and I will be working on the two. FanNihongo (talk) 03:48, 26 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
*sbs.gif series
There are some discussions on github over MMAH/animCJK/Hanzi Writer + Anki integration. This is focused enough so it should require junior skills and dedication (3 days work ?).
Alternatively, there should be ways to screenshoot svg animations into raster animations. Same level of difficulty.
I thing I searched these two topics a while back and I may help find those discussion if you request me too.
As of now, your competitive advantage is in the calligraphic quality of your work. I may therefore recommend you the following possible paths :
review and redo the ones who are poorly done, there are few.
review and complete variants stroke order. In 1-99, column stroke order gif, see the missing elements. This is interesting for the SOP but not interesting for your learning.
create the -sbs.gif series : this is most interesting for your learning. The arrows are implicit at that level : people who delicately learning the Kangxi radicals are expected to know the left-to-right, top-to-bottom, and shape-reading for Tí rules.
Creates characters: fun, non-radical ones, you can then focus on characters you like most, which is great for learning. Suggestions :
Create a calligraphic learning path: selecting ~30 characters to teach calligraphy. I can help you to select those characters if go this way.
Fixing things around:User:Wikic who kick started this project did a good work creating animations for frequent characters and others, but those are generally 100px and too small and would gain from a refresh. Since they are frequent characters, they are a good entry point for your learning. Other users also created sub standard animations which would be best to redo (or delete). See this.
@LiliCharlie: Thank you for you proposal, but because of the answer that I gave you previously, these pages never should be moved. Because I am on a dilemma, the new format was something that may or may not be done. FanNihongo (talk) 23:34, 3 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I do not know if to tell you or not, so I will tell you anyway:
As you know, by a request I am doing the stroke order of the Biáng character.
Because I didn't like the current shape of that character, since approximately three months that I am working on a new svg version of that character, before start working on its stroke animation.
This is the status: I did complete a new image of that character, so I am working on the vectorization of each stroke. I am doing everything on GIMP, which has its own way to transform shapes into vectors. I calculate that this svg will be finished on ~4-6 weeks.
That's fantastic, but I thought you were working with sans serif/Gothic/heiti characters. If so, you could use traditional 𰻞 from the fonts of the very recently updated "Noto Sans CJK ..." series in 5 regional styles, HK=Hong Kong, JP=Japan, KR=Korea, SC=Mainland China, and TC=Taiwan, each in 7 font weights; and simplified 𰻝 from the same fonts, though the glyph for 𰻝 is probably identical in all regional versions. The same applies to the "Noto Serif CJK ..." series, if you like songti/mingti style. The latest "Noto ... CJK ..." versions can be downloaded from https://github.com/googlefonts/noto-cjk, the regular download site at https://fonts.google.com/noto isn't always up to date. — If you redesign Biáng (regular script).svg it might be a good idea to upload your alternative version under a new filename, so users can choose which one they prefer. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 10:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@LiliCharlie Let me explain: I was on a dilemma, in which I have to choose working on kaishu or in sans-serif. At the end I decided to stay working with the kaishu images, because of that, I am only working on "馬-hts.gif", which I hope will be the last one.
"If you are redesigning the Biáng, it might be a good idea to upload your alternative version under a new filename, so users can choose which one they prefer." Sorry, but this new redesign is meant to replace the old one. FanNihongo (talk) 05:47, 29 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
P.S. Don't get me wrong, but please don't change my exact wording and or any single letter if you use quotation marks to cite me, even if you think it sounds weird, worth improving, or plain wrong. The devil's in the details, and anything may have been intended. Plus, there are 5 dozen nations where English is official, and most of the language's standard varieties are unknown to almost any speaker from the few traditional "core" English-speaking countries. Many of them tolerate but don't seem to fully accept native English usage in Nigeria, India, Singapore, New Guinea, and lots of other places, which is belittling. Others call that neocolonialist. Anyway, quotations must be literal, but you can use the sic comment, of course. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 19:16, 29 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@LiliCharlie: I want to upload it as a new version, and you want it as a new file. Then let's discuss about this, to solve this disagreement in the better way. Here are my arguments:
I think you have the idea that this new version will be on sans-serif, but no, I want to clarify that this new version, will be on kaishu style.
I also want to clarify that this new version is taking as a base the previous one(changing the old strokes for new ones, and changing its proportions if needed).
As you know, I am working on the SOP, the stroke order animations that I do, are done with a font named "TW-MOE-Std-Kai Regular, which can be downloaded on this link. From this font I am taking the strokes for the new version(I said this to complement the previous bullet point). I am doing all of this not only to correct some mistakes that the actual version has, but that it fits with the other animations that I am doing.
I know that in my previous discussions I didn't explain the things on detail. I said: "I didn't like the current shape of that character", so what I said above are its details.
Finally I want to comment the mistakes I had found:
First: the ㇑ stroke of the rightmost 長 component should be in two strokes instead of one.
Second: the first stroke of the 月, should be smaller, not touching the other strokes.
I think that is all, for those reasons this new version is meant to replace this one. So if you still think that this should be uploaded as a new file, then let's keep discussing, by telling me your arguments. FanNihongo (talk) 04:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@LiliCharlie: I want to point out that if I upload a new version of this file, the others users still can choose which version they prefer. As the old versions are still available on the file history.
Note: I do not know why you haven't answered me, maybe you are busy or maybe not. So I will give you one week. If you haven't answered me in a week starting from now, then I will assume that you have read all of this, and that you accepted my arguments. So in case you upload my version as a new file, I won't just sit down and watch. FanNihongo (talk) 23:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If I didn't comment, I was trying to be polite. Perhaps you ask your calligraphy teacher how many strokes they see and if strokes may touch in regular style.
Wiki syntax isn't suited to media versions from the page history.
@LiliCharlie: "If I didn't comment, I was trying to be polite." Maybe this is more or less my fault, because I expected some sort of answer, or clafication from you, but reading my text above I don't see any evident questions. Let me explain how I see the things, I don't see why not commenting is polite, on the contrary it, to me is rude, I will explain: you were the one who started with the idea of the "new version as new file", then I gave you my arguments to see if it makes you to change your mind, and then, I was expecting your arguments to see if it make me change my mind, and to solve the things. So to me it was rude from your part that you left the discussion by not continue discussing. Ergo leaving me in the dark.
"I never said I wanted to re-upload your work.", sorry, no, you didn't but you said this: "I think I'll re-upload it as Biang (regular script).svg as soon as you've replaced it, just in case it is used somewhere for a purpose where it is required, or at least preferred.", I want to clarify that when I said replace it, I meant to upload it as a new version.
Note: Now I see that I have to be more specific with you, by giving you evident questions, so I tell you from now, that if I ask you a question I expect an answer/arguments. Now that I clarified that I will give you my questions, of which I expect answers.
Look this is what will happen, all of those users uploaded improved versions of this character, I also have the right to improve the character and this is my way to do so. So I will upload my new version because I am on my right to make improvements. read what is on the bullet point above, that makes me think that you want to re-upload my character. So here are my questions: Do you still think that a new file for this new version should be created? If your answer if yes, then: Why? What will you do exactly when I upload my new version?.
Note: About this comment "If I didn't comment, I was trying to be polite. Perhaps you ask your calligraphy teacher how many strokes they see and if strokes may touch in regular style.", let's forget about the mistakes, I am not here to discuss that, and besides that discussion would need its own discussion topic.
By the way, you are not the only one, with experience in the creation of characters(I do not create svg, I create raster images): for example I created the right component of the following character:
Also you can go to this link], there are seven files above, of which of some of them I had to edit and create new strokes from zero.
@LiliCharlie: As you said: "The devil is in the details", if you do not use proper English, then, how do you expect that there will be a good communication between us? FanNihongo (talk) 02:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have a question for you: what should we do with those users who break the guidelines by uploading characters that they do not create?
What if for example someone upload 日-order.gif from this page or upload 事-order.gif from this page. That is not following the guidelines. FanNihongo (talk) 23:25, 14 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FanNihongo hello. Files not following the graphic guideline can be renamed into alternative naming conventions. It's gentle, non destructive. We did it before.
File nearly following our guideline (your second example) can be kept. While not ideal, we are limited in human resources so compromise may be ok.
I thank you for you answer, but it disappoints. It shows what the SOP really is, it is just a simple Commons' page and files, with rules without any jurisdiction on Commons. FanNihongo (talk) 21:46, 14 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi FanNihongo, it saddens me you're disappointed, for you seem extremely motivated and do a great job over here.
I don't quite understand the "jurisdiction" part of your post. When I hear that word I tend to think in terms of tribunals, judges, judgements, and punishments. I'm not sure what you mean.
There are projects that take indefinitely longer than a lifetime, and not only human society and science are of that kind, but also the SOP. By definition (and not just due to the restrictions imposed by the volonté générale or the form of some organisation), perfection and completion can never be reached. I believe little children have an easier time to accept that than the average grown-up megalomaniacs, who hallucinate they are the masters of the universe rather than ephemeral insects. What doesn't happen here this year may happen in a few decades or centuries, or perhaps later. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 01:58, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I use jurisdiction with this meaning: The power or right to exercise authority(From the wiktionary).
For example, In theory all the contributors should be uploading images per the guidelines, that would be a rule, which can be easily broken. And when that happens the SOP cannot do much to control that(no jurisdiction).
Hi,
I’m sending this message to all participants of Commons Wikimaps listed here, so that I can be pretty sure it will get to some of you. I am the Principal Investigator of the ERC funded project Medea-Chart ([6]), hosted by the University of Lisbon, whose scientific objective is the study of the genesis, evolution and use of nautical charts from the Middle Ages to the early modern period. One of the visible outcomes of our project is the Medea-Chart database, aimed at storing and making available information and images of all extant manuscript nautical charts: [7].
Since the images of old maps and charts are now in the public domain and our database is open to all, I’m sure your project could benefit from it. The most obvious way would be to download from there all the images you are interested in, but I imagine you could use the tool for more sophisticated purposes. For now, I invite all of you to go there, browse the database, do geographical searches, read our “Chart of the Week” mini-articles, etc. You don’t even need to register for that. Registration is only required for those interested in downloading high resolution images or producing reports. Best wishes and have fun, Alvesgaspar (talk) 21:19, 17 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Firstly I thank you for your changes on that, I will say that you did them in good faith, but I prefer how it looked before your edits, so I've came here to advice you that I will revert most of your changes, and finally to tell you that if you want to change anything of that page in the future, then let's discuss about it in its talkpage. FanNihongo (talk) 01:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are still quite new on Wikimedia Commons, please give yourself some time to learn the community's practices.
On SOP/Bitmap animations using GIMP, the page would gain to be collaboratively edited. We all have blind spots, be it in style, form, English language, Writing on Wikimedia websites for 15+ years I had read and wrote a lot of guidelines, which is a good experience to benefit from. I'm therefore skeptical of those systematic reverts:
1 Tools
2 Create the black layer
3 Create the grey layer
4 Guidelines about the strokes
4.1 Naming convention
4.2 Calligraphy and speed
5 How to create the layers of the first stroke
6 Once you are done with the last layergroup
7 How to create a GIF
8 Upload
9 How to ease the work
1 How to create the first layer
2 How to create the second layer
3 Guidelines about the strokes
4 How to create the layers of the first stroke
5 Once you are done with the last layergroup
6 How to create a GIF
7 Final Steps
8 How to ease the work
Sections' titles and thematic segmentation is important. Since the sections are numbered in the Table of Content, "1 How to create the first layer", "2 How to create the second layer", "Final Steps" can be replaced by more meaningful titles. Being in a tutorial, "How to" is redundant. See also en:Information design, en:Chartjunk, etc.
Salut. Thank you for your answer. I feel bad about what I have done. But I prefer the version that was written with my own words, I understand it better. Besides, I in the future plan to translate those guidelines into other languages(these three to be specific: Spanish, Esperanto and Portuguese), for me, doing this task is easy if the guidelines are clear and if I understand them at 100%.
I want you to know that I am open to solve the things though dialog and in a constructive way. So I will repeat it again: if you want to change anything of that page in the future, then let's discuss about it in its talkpage. FanNihongo (talk) 00:57, 6 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But that was not the only reason, another reason for it has to be that way, is for to be easy for me to explain those guidelines to the newcomers. So if the guidelines start to be messy and unclear then, I couldn't do that task properly. FanNihongo (talk) 21:28, 14 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yug: I am sorry for what I've done. But how can I compensate it? I have these ideas:
To restore to the guidelines to a previous state, for example this state(diff), before the deletion of all collaborative work. Note: The update of what I talked you about is almost finished, so if the guidelines are restored to a previous state that new update, has to be implemented after that.
To let the guidelines as they are. And if you still want to do any collaborative work, then so be it. I promise I won't deleted again.
I have no copyright concerns, for you developed that page almost entirely yourself, with only a few copyedits by Yug. If Yug or someone else has such concerns, we'll find out how to formally copy a page to a new location. It's mainly a matter of transferring not only the contents, but also the page history, I think. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 16:59, 22 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for your opinion. I will go for my second option: "To let the guidelines as they are. And if anyone want to do any collaborative work, then so be it."
Well, I already said that I am sorry and asked how to compensate the things, but I don't got any answer from @Yug. And I am not a fortune teller, to know his thoughts, So as far as I'm concerned my conscience about being a page's steward is now clean. FanNihongo (talk) 22:13, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Alright, officially I am done working with you, on the sorry section from above was the last attempt from me to debate something with you, there has passed approximately 5 month and there is no answer from you. Let's forget about that. The point is that we don't go on the same direction regarding to the Stroke Order Project. Yes, there are still many things to discuss and a lot of work to do here in the SOP. But it is clear to me that I cannot count with you to finish it once and for all.
One last thing, it is not my intention to sound or to be rude, but I will say you my personal opinion despite that: I didn't like your participation on the SOP, you have done an excellent work on the Ancient Chinese Character Project, unfortunately I can't say the same about the SOP, I cannot forbid your participation on it. So if one day you return to participate on it, I wont just sit down and watch. Have a nice day. FanNihongo (talk) 05:49, 16 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not involved in the Stroke order project at the moment, i gave you my (experienced) opinion on wiki editing for more solid pages contents as it was due, but truth is you are free to go the way you want, especially since i'm not active there so my opinion has low weight. On the Stroke Order project where i cannot add value at the moment i dont see nor have much to write back to your discussions. It's better to let you and LiliCharlie lead. I don't intended to escape a debate but i'm just not available for this additional volunteer workload, so i will escape this additional workload, yes, as it is our right as volunteer. I'm highly active on other projects (lingualibre.org, github, IRL workshops) and already overloaded on there, so not being active on the SOP/ACC projects is a situation fine by me. Wish you the best. Yug(talk)21:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, currently it is my plan to finish the "-order.gif" animated images once and for all, to finally progress on my study of Chinese. Anyway thank you for your opinion, and good luck with your projects. FanNihongo (talk) 22:16, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On SOP and leading it, there is no formal leader for a Wikimedia project. Each user contribute where they have fun, build expertise and consensus through multiple discussions. With time we earn the trust of other users and we build some soft leadership.
Wikis are complex communities, we therefor are all quite clumsy at first. Please consider welcoming collaborative edits better, the pages truly gain from it. When seniors contributors seems to go a different way it's an opportunity to ask why and learn other unknown practices.
Salut, I want to clarify that I wanted to be an administrator not a leader.
One favor: could you stop saying clumsy, because to me it sounds like a bad word, you could say novice instead of that. But if that is not a bad or a rude word then ignore what I said.
As for welcoming collaborative edits. I will repeat it again: if you want to change anything of my guidelines in the future, then let's discuss about it on its talkpage. I would like to take the control of its changes, because those guidelines need to be clear to me, for the reasons explained on my previous posts. FanNihongo (talk) 21:35, 14 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@FanNihongo: Thanks for the opening. "Clumsy" is just doing mistakes because we are young in a new place, we all been there. And we are all still learning around.
One principles of wikis is to allow by default editions on all pages. We reduce obstacles to the minimum.
The principle of "first explain yourself in the talkpage before editing" (burden of an approval door) is not the way wikis work. We have some guideline about it en:Wikipedia:Ownership of content (aka WP:OWN). We don't take control of pages, we lead via soft power, brief discussion and consensus building. The current SOP GIF page we talk about is a modestly known page, which to be honest will mainly be used by yourself indeed. So if you take control of it, it's annoying but not a big deal. Main feedback I can point to you is a general one. Please take note that wiki pages are co-edited, this approach does strengthen those pages. That is also a key part of the fun on Wikis : seeing your page get improved while you just seat back, watch and enjoy. You are a new editor (700 edits) so it's totally normal to have such discussion. Welcome to the wikiverse ! Yug(talk)11:08, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Bonjour, thank you for having a lot of patient with me, I promise that I will read that article. Quote from you: "please give yourself some time to learn the community's practices." What exactly do you mean by community' practices? Do you mean collaborative edits?
This thing about the collaborative work is something I am still skeptical of, and is something, that I need time to assimilate and to think about it. FanNihongo (talk) 06:23, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@FanNihongo: we wikimedians have many unwritten rules. You will learn the major ones within your first 2,000 edits. But there are so many unwritten and written rules that even after 50,000 edits I still discover new nuances on a weekly basis. It takes times. Normal stuff. You can also remind the other party that you are new and learning, that ease things. Also remind yourself to ask to explain the hidden rules. LiliCharlie is a good user to team up with. Both LiliCharlie and me have some expertise, are soft spoken, and lowly active. Other users may be more active and more rude. Best is work in peace on your side or to ask mentoring to smooth things up. You will learn on the way it's part of the fun :) Yug(talk)18:18, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
😮Reading this article about Chartjunk 🤔makes me think that I am complicating myself the life too much.
I developed a graphic standard of quality very high. Here are some examples:
I am contributor of the Stroke Order Project for only one reason: 😟I need to learn the Stroke Order, because I am learning Chinese.
The next image is an example of Chartjunk. 😄 Which is full of gratuituos chartjunk! It uses a large area and much "ink" (many symbols and lines) to show only five hard-to-read numbers.
The point is: Maybe my images are full of Chartjunk.
Let's go back when the project started on the 2006
The Stroke Order Project just was starting. These guidelines explained how to create animated "-order.gif" images, in a size of 100px. Although they were too simple, I am sure they took a lot of effort to make at that year. Currently at 2022 it would be faster and would take me less effort to do those images. But sadly I don't think we can return to the 100px format.
Here are some examples:
I genuinely think that "-order.gif" animated images can be done faster if the graphic quality is lowered. So the question is:
🤔Should we sacrifice graphic quality in order to make the "-order.gif" animated images faster?
(Note: What do I mean by lowering the quality? R = The use of inconsistent Kaishu strokes, left graphic mistakes uncorrected, stop performing any anti aliasing process, etc.. Only worrying about if it has the correct stroke order and if it was done in kaishu). FanNihongo (talk) 22:44, 6 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure what you mean by faster images. If you mean that they render faster, then I don't think that's a big issue, for processor speed is rapidly going up. If you mean faster to create, I don't know what I prefer: A rapidly growing collection of animated stroke order illustrations, or higher quality graphics, but less. Perhaps we should introduce separate collections, a larger one with reduced-quality graphics, and a smaller one with high-quality graphics. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 00:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
P.S. To quickly produce a large (>9000) collection of high-quality animated stroke order graphics, it would be nice if we could find a way to convert the animated SVGs of the Make Me a Hanzi project to animated GIFs. Even if it takes months to find out how to do this, it's still much more efficient than any of our current methods. — We could use the SVGs directly if the Mediawiki software stopped converting them to still (=not animated) PNG images. Perhaps we should fight for that. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 01:19, 7 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, and one of the advantages is that we could easily create many series of animations at once, for I can use Notepad++ to bulk-manipulate all the SVGs and change colours, animation speed, how often the animation loops, you name it. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 11:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@FanNihongo: click on the small characters in OpenEdX Hanzi, or check https://hanziwriter.org . They are based upon MakeMeAHanzi. There animations are not as good as hand made ones, but still, it does the job for non-calligraphic learning. There animations are also integrated into some Anki decks, for Chinese at least. For Japanese, you could also try Skritter.com which provides and excellent service. Yug(talk)11:13, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Talking about "non-calligraphic learning": I believe most people today use 硬筆 (hard-pointed writing instruments, not a brush) when they learn to write sinograms, so animations with fixed-width strokes as in the KanjiVG-based Kanimaji project might be better suited for them. It's easier to compare one's own writing with the template characters; learners are not led to wonder if they should make an effort to draw strokes with varying widths; etc.
@LiliCharlie: Personal preference goes to Kaishu still. As for Imagemagick and gif conversion I believe I raised that issue on Github MakeMeAHanzi, CJKanim or else. From (blurry) memory it won't work on MakeMeAHanzi svg because those are just data, not animation. It's the later Javascript or else which animates the svg. So you would have to synch up imagemagick and js. OR you would need to use in browser js to export the svg into n raster, and then stack those (either via js or via shell). Yug(talk)18:23, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I briefly took a look at your contributions, thank for the richly detailed tutorial on stoke order. It's impressive. I also see you are creating a new Sans serif stroke order style, which will be more convenient to animate and has teaching qualities. Such new style will need its own naming convention and suffix so to not write over the kaishu stroke order set done so far, which is one of our completed 214 kangxi radical set, see Commons:Stroke_Order_Project/order. Over the years we create various styles and naming conventions for each style. Those naming conventions are gathered in {{Chinese characters naming}}, you can add your creation into it. As stroke order created by hand is a tidious work, we found it interesting to focus on those 214 Kangxi radicals and their 118(?) associated variants, which is already a very ambitious objectives likely needing few years to complete. Yug(talk)05:34, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
First option: to create a new naming convention(for example -ssorder.gif), in order to maintain all the kaishu images intact.
Second option, to only keep the radicals (plus its variants) in kaishu style with a new naming convention (for example -calligrapic.gif, -kaishu.gif), and proceed to update all the "-order.gif" image to the new Sans-Serif format.
Chose one option for me to proceed. It is not late to change the things.
The second option is not possible due to legacy and assets. We have 600+ existing -order.gif animations in use across the web, while your new styles has less than dozen file.
Prefix before order are reserved for localization : CN, JS, TW, HK.
Your new project is the first to be both stroke order and variating by font.
Trying to keep aligned with the naming convention, and the stroke order subset which centers on the infographic approach (which we can't migrate to font-based naming convention as ACC due to legacy), I suggested {zi}-{infographic}_{font}.{ext} or {zi}-order_heiti.gif, so the infographic and font are in the core element. But Alternatives such as {zi}-order_ss.gif, {zi}-order_sans_serif.gif. {zi}-order-sans_serif.gif. {zi}-order_arrows.gif seems ok as well.
As long as your set is less that 50~100 images, the naming convention can easily be discussed and changed. When the dataset pass above 100 files and start to be in used in wiki and online it will be harder to push for it. Yug(talk)08:22, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi! Thanks for all your great work! I am a teacher of Chinese thought and history, and I am wondering whether it is possible to create a CC map of China during the Spring and Autumn Period that is in the simple, colorful style of the map of China during the Warring States Period that philg88 did, so that students can see at a glance how the political situation in China changed between the two periods. In other words, can you make a CC version of this map:
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Thanks for considering my request! — DocCaligari, 13:47, 17 January 2022
I tried to rename it 𰻞-order.gif, but it fails, likely because that unicode point is too recent and not yet on some part of Wikimedia's upload / storage system. Yug(talk)20:12, 26 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's a very rare character and very time-consuming one to animate. Typically, this character should be done in -sbs.gif style to expedite it faster. Yug(talk)21:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The character 馬 has different stroke orders depending on region. In Taiwan the first stroke is the upper left ㇑, as shown here, but in Hong Kong it's the upper ㇐. And I'm sure I've seen it with a single-stroke ㇉ in some calligraphy book from Mainland China as well (the simplified 马 is also written with a ㇉), with the following order of the only 9 strokes: ㇐㇐㇐㇑㇉㇔㇔㇔㇔. I have no idea what stroke order is taught in Japan and Korea, or how many strokes they count. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 13:06, 28 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also in the Unihan Database 𰻞 has UTC-00791 as its kIRG_USource but no other IRG sources. In other words, no nation considers 𰻞 part of its character repertoire. Consequently, 𰻞 cannot have a canonical stroke order in Hong Kong, Japan, Macao, Mainland China, North Korea, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, the UK, or the US that are represented in the IRG that is responsible for Unicode/UCS Han character encoding (including the Unihan Database).
My Wenlin Dictionary has this character, but with 镸 instead of 長. Stroke order is animatable, and the writing order is: 穴月幺镸言馬幺镸刂辶. That is, the components from 月 to 刂 follow left-to-right order, and ⿱幺镸 as well as ⿱言馬 are treated as blocks. BTW, 镸 and 馬 are written with the top héng (一) stroke first, as in Mainland China, Singapore etc.
Popular songs are poor sources for stroke orders, certainly inferior to Richard S. Cook's expert Wenlin Dictionary.
If you are hunting time and ink-consuming characters: There are Unicode Han characters with more strokes, namely 𠔻 and 𪚥 with 64 strokes each. In the Wenlin Dictionary there is also the Han character 8 Dragons with 128 strokes, and the author of this page introduces a Han character with 160 strokes. Wow! (I have no time to create an SVG of that one.) Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 09:44, 18 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
P.S. Yug is right, Biáng-order complete.gif's first-sides-then-middle writing order (長長馬) contradicts basic writing rules and any tradition I ever encountered, and I can't imagine there's a community that considers such practice correct let alone recommendable. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 11:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello FanNihongo, happy to see your uploads. On this one I had to revert back to Micheletb's version. The order is the same, but the number of strokes is different in -torder.gif (3) and -order.gif (2). That's why we need 2 files and a longer pause to divide the right-side strokes in 2.
Appealing decision for the file File:⺦-order.gif[edit]
@Ellywa: I write this to you because I disagree with you decision of keeping the File:⺦-order.gif(DR)
You gave this reason: "I see no valid reason for deletion of this file on the policy page, Commons:Deletion policy.".
There do is a reason to delete this file on the Deletion policy, on this link (Redundant/bad quality).
Quote: "Redundant or low-quality files only get deleted on a case-by-case basis... "
Quote from wiktionary: Redundant = "Superfluous; exceeding what is necessary, no longer needed."
I hope I made myself clear: the File:⺦-order.gif was created only as an animation request(which is on this category), to be replaced for an animated version, but because an animated version was already created, which is this , then the File:⺦-order.gif is redundant(no longer needed).
Those were my arguments, that file should be deleted. FanNihongo (talk) 03:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have to go with all arguments on the DR. As User:Sarang wrote, the files have a different style. I am not a specialist on Chinese calligraphy of course, but I agree the images are different. And therefore File:⺦-order.gif is not redundant (because different) and should not be deleted. Perhaps there is another version showing the same style? I did not look for that, but if it is not present, I am still of the opinion the file is not redundant. If you still disagree on this, you can nominate the image again for deletion. Another admin might decide differently. For reference the three images again:
I thank you for your explanation, now I see that my arguments need more context.
Which is this: The images on this category are only requests to be animated for the Stroke Order Project, on that project we create animations like these, and we also have guidelines to create them(The recommended guidelines are these). As you can see those animations must be done in the kaishu calligraphic style. In conclusion that file is still redundant and should be deleted. In this case, the fact that that file was uploaded with a Ming typeface only makes it difficult to do these kind of maintenance tasks(delete unused files). FanNihongo (talk) 02:48, 12 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
While administrators such Ellywa can delete files on request, they hardly can delete ⺦.gif given the previous votes and conclusion. To delete ⺦.gif a new deletion request must be opened, and Sarang approval would likely be necessary. Yug(talk)19:43, 27 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done, redirect deleted. Use {{Speedy|Your reason. ~~~~}} to request quick deletion in obvious cases. You have a stronger point if you are the page's creator. Yug(talk)09:19, 31 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yug: I just want to clarify that the discussion from above was only a reminder for me on how to appeal a decision, following these protocols, it was only mean to serve as an example of that.
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I don't take the RfA failure and ongoing canvassing feud personally. But I also will not let people unfairly accuse me, there is something toxic going on with RfA and canvassing (which has also spined out of control due to my combativity), and as well let it burst. It's pretty clear the community of active users on RfA is under stress, rude, and haven't time to mentor up its applicants. That's pretty annoying (for commons). I will survive tho~ Yug (talk) 18:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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