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Ordering of files in categories

Hi all, how do the files get ordered for display in e.g. Category:Military uniforms of Russia by Nicholas I by Vinkhuijzen collection?

On the first page, the sequence 'Russia, 1826 (NYPL b14896507-441385).tiff' to 'Russia, 1826 (NYPL b14896507-441397).tiff' is interrupted by 'Russia, 1828 (NYPL b14896507-441478).jpg' followed by 'Russia, 1826 (NYPL b14896507-441398).tiff' and then 'Russia, 1828 (NYPL b14896507-441479).jpg'

To summarise, ...385 to ...397 is followed by ...478, ...398 and ...479.

I've just realised that the .jpg files interrupt the numerical sequence of .tiffs although they all use exactly the same numbering scheme. Is there a reason for this? Can the files be displayed in strict alpha-numerical order?

Also, the category name is a poor translation of the Russian Униформа русской армии при Николае I в коллекции Винкёйзена. I suggest it should be re-named as 'Uniforms of the Russian Army under Nicholas I in the Vinkhuijzen collection'. I imagine there are many more like these. I normally edit on English WP. MinorProphet (talk) 09:04, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Regular sorting for these files has been overridden by setting a DEFAULTSORT consisting of the letters "NYPL" + the "NYPL catalog ID" plus the "Image ID" – which for this category in turn has been overridden by just the two IDs with a colon in-between:
{{DEFAULTSORT:NYPLb14896507.27197}}
[[Category:Images uploaded by Fæ|NYPLb14896507.27197]]
[[Category:Military uniforms of Russia by Nicholas I by Vinkhuijzen collection|b14896507.27197]]
Whoever did that probably had a reason for that – whether that was a good reason is another question. To just have them sorted by file name, you would have to remove the {{DEFAULTSORT:NYPLb14896507.27197}} as well as the |b14896507.27197. --El Grafo (talk) 10:09, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your helpful reply. However, if I edit Category:Military uniforms of Russia by Nicholas I by Vinkhuijzen collection all I see is
{{ru|1=Униформа русской армии при Николае I в коллекции Винкёйзена.}}
[[Category:Vinkhuijzen:Russia]]
[[Category:Military uniforms of Russia by Nicholas I]]
What am I missing? Where is the Defaultsort etc. which you kindly pointed out? Thanks, MinorProphet (talk) 15:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
@MinorProphet: In the descriptions of the individual files. So if you go to File:Russia, 1826 (NYPL b14896507-441385).tiff and choose "Edit", the bottom of the editable text is what El Grafo quoted above. --bjh21 (talk) 16:41, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Argh, there's only 931 of them in this category alone. I imagine it could be automated, but I fear I'm just not that fussed. Anyway, now I know how it works, and thanks all for your swift and knowledgeable assistance. MinorProphet (talk) 17:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Commons Gazette 2024-02

Volunteer staff changes

In January 2024, 1 sysop was elected. Currently, there are 187 sysops.

Other news

The Toolforge Grid Engine platform is scheduled to be stopped on 14 February. All tools running on it, such as Commons:CropTool, will stop.

Edited by RZuo (talk).

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--RZuo (talk) 12:47, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Voting in Technical needs survey

Hi!

I would like to remind you of participating in the voting for proposals in the Technical needs survey. Happy voting! --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 17:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Notification of DMCA takedown demand — Fireworks at Land's End

In compliance with the provisions of the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), and at the instruction of the Wikimedia Foundation's legal counsel, one or more files have been deleted from Commons. Please note that this is an official action of the Wikimedia Foundation office which should not be undone. If you have valid grounds for a counter-claim under the DMCA, please contact me.

The takedown can be read here.

Affected file(s):

To discuss this DMCA takedown, please go to COM:DMCA#Fireworks at Land's End . Thank you! Joe Sutherland (WMF) (talk) 23:36, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Notification of DMCA takedown demand — 2010 Winter Olympics Canada clebrating hockey gold medal

In compliance with the provisions of the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), and at the instruction of the Wikimedia Foundation's legal counsel, one or more files have been deleted from Commons. Please note that this is an official action of the Wikimedia Foundation office which should not be undone. If you have valid grounds for a counter-claim under the DMCA, please contact me.

The takedown can be read here.

Affected file(s):

To discuss this DMCA takedown, please go to COM:DMCA#2010 Winter Olympics Canada clebrating hockey gold medal. Thank you! Joe Sutherland (WMF) (talk) 23:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

{{Self}} has been updated

{{Self}} has been revised today, but there seems to be a minor disorder when using with {{Cc-zero}}. See File:栗之浦ドック 第二工場.jpg. --トトト (talk) 02:50, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Looks fine to me, what is the "minor disorder"? - Jmabel ! talk 20:37, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Fixed by Jarekt (1). Cheers. --トトト (talk) 11:17, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

File:1cm. cartesian.svg

Hello, I left a message on the bistro francophone and was advised to talk about it here.

In the footer of this file it says "papergraph.com, CC by-sa-nc 3.0 ...". The file seems to have been uploaded by its owner but the licence on the image (CC by-sa-nc 3.0) is not consistent with the licence indicated by the template (CC by-sa 3.0), probably because Commons does not allow files to be uploaded under a CC by-sa-nc licence. So, should we delete this file because it's not free, or is the pattern so simple that it's considered to be in the public domain? Pamputt (talk) 08:55, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Not copyrightable. But also possibly not worth keeping? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Probably worth keeping, certainly not copyrightable. - Jmabel ! talk 20:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Actually, the other files from this user also have this copyright footer. So I think the decision should apply to all these files. Pamputt (talk) 23:07, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Curly apostrophe and COM:FR#FR6

I have just declined the rename request of File:Electronic Core Module of NASA’s Ingenuity helicopter.png.

Dawnseeker2000’s rationale was “Title contains curly apostrophe which has been broken by semi-automated tools on Ingenuity (helicopter) four times in the last month by several editors”. (See Ingenuity (helicopter))

Now I’m wondering if should have renamed it. Indeed, COM:FR#FR6 ignores curly apostrophes. Any thoughts? RodRabelo7 (talk) 08:52, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

@RodRabelo7: I'd go for creating a redirect at the straight-apostrophe name. That way it won't matter which one the article uses. --bjh21 (talk) 11:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Or mayme users like Trappist the monk should stop running sloppy scripts? (diff) --Watchduck (quack) 14:25, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Folklore 2024 has started, Join us!

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Rockpeterson (talk) 08:22, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

What to do about wrong arrow heads in SVG?

Arrow heads created in Inkscape have a tendency to look wrong, when the image is rendered as PNG. (Inkscape itself exports a correct PNG, but Commons does it wrong. So does my Ubuntu.) See the image on the right. The heads of the red arrows show three problems: Wrong direction, wrong fill color, and wrong size. (In the SVG both have the same size, but in the PNG the upper one is smaller.) Is there some non-tedious thing I can do to fix this? After all, there is nothing wrong with the other arrows. (Compare this old example with simple code.) Greetings, Watchduck (quack) 14:15, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

I see at least two bad arrows (path17 near "city" and path32 near "port city"). Both use marker-end ConcaveTriangle or a clone of it.
Commons supports SVG 1.1, but the file uses 
orient="auto-start-reverse"
which is SVG 2.0. An SVG 1.1 renderer will not understand the keyword, so it will not do the expected rotation.
I changed the keyword to "auto" (which is SVG 1.1).
Glrx (talk) 16:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
@Glrx: Thanks. So Inkscape generates inconsistent code. Unfortunately I can not just find all "auto-start-reverse" and replace them by "auto", because that would invert the heads at the other end, as seen here. Do you know a safe find-and-replace solution? BTW, I had to replace fill:context-stroke; by the actual color. Is that also too new for SVG 1.1? --Watchduck (quack) 17:52, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
@Watchduck:
No, I do not know a safe solution. I got lucky with the replacement because it was for marker-end rather than marker-start.
Yes, fill:context-stroke is new for SVG 2.0.
Glrx (talk) 03:07, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Commons:Editor's index to Commons

I recently made some updates and additions to Commons:Editor's index to Commons (a.k.a. COM:Glossary). I suspect there is a lot more undocumented jargon, outdated info (until just now, it still talked about "OTRS" instead of "VRT"), etc. There are also some ill-formed anchors, etc. It would probably be quite useful for a few other people to have a go at it. - Jmabel ! talk 19:52, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Victorian Turkish baths

If you ave either knowledge of or interest in Victorian Turkish baths (or would just like to put in some time helping a user who seems expert on their topic, but not on Commons) your help would be very much appreciated at Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/02/Category:Victorian Turkish baths. We seem to have a user who is a legitimate subject matter expert, but with very little knowledge of Commons. We need someone who can either guide him through properly setting up this category (and possibly subcategories) or just take over and do it themself (or somewhere between the two). I noticed the problematic category in the midst of doing a broad cleanup of parentless categories, but I don't think I bring more to this than a random knowledgeable Commons user. Thanks in advance. - Jmabel ! talk 19:57, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Dust Storm in Rolla, Kansas

Hi, What's the date of this picture? Some sources date it from April 14, 1935, and others date it from May 6, i.e. [1], [2], [3]. I wonder if there isn't a confusion with this famous picture. Thanks, Yann (talk) 16:17, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

@Yann: I've figured it out.
http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/archives/collections/franklin/index.php?p=digitallibrary/digitalcontent&id=3054
The caption is a LETTER written May 6, but the PHOTO was taken April 14. The FULL caption read
"Rolla Kansas, May 6-35. Mr. Franklin D. Roosevelt. Washington DC. Dear Mr. Roosevelt, we are mailing you a picture of the dust storm which came April 14-35. This was a northeast wind and darkness came. When this hit us the sun was shining bright and darkness was coming on at 3 o'clock in the evening. Taken from the water tower one hundred feet high. Yours truly, Chas. P. Williams. Rolla Kansas."
But because the caption was abridged, there's confusion. Adam Cuerden (talk) 07:18, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Timed Text from automatic speech recognition

Hi Commons, is it generally desirable to have timed text (closed captions) for time based media (Video, Audio) generated from automatic speech recognition (ASR) like OpenAI's Whisper? Is there a way to mark such timed texts as machine-generated? Thanks in advance. Rillke(q?) 10:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

When transcribing a video, for example, is there any way to generate the time (like 00:02:16,612 --> 00:02:19,376), instead of having to synchronize it manually? 2804:14D:5C32:4673:C7BD:4252:668A:7518 20:08, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
I use OpenAI's Whisper locally to provide me with a basic synchroniszed transcript (srt/vtt/...) and then correct some mistakes. In YouTube, when I tested that 3y ago, I could also feed a transcript and YouTube did the timing for me. -- Rillke(q?) 08:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
If the video is on youtube you can download the subtitle file using yt-dlp or youtube-dl (or if its your own video on youtube you can directly download it). I think the command is youtube-dl --write-sub --sub-lang en --skip-download URL (where you replace URL). You can also download all subtitles using --all-subs instead of --sub-lang en and the command is probably the same for yt-dlp except for the first word. To download auto-generated subtitles use --write-auto-sub instead of that / --sub-lang en.
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@Rillke It would be very useful to have that and I have mentioned that elsewhere. It would massively boost multilingualism and contributor productivity (time they could use for more contributions or more transcriptions). A way to mark them would be setting categories like Category:Videos with machine-generated captions to check which then, once they have been checked & edited, move to categories like Category:Videos by Terra X with Esperanto subtitle file that then could also be narrated (redubbed) by humans and machines. One issue there is that there aren't that many useful videos with voice such as explanatory videos and documentaries on WMC, but I still think there are enough to make this very much needed. Another issue is that in the video the CC button only displays the language but not that it's auto-generated which could be useful once more people add such transcripts. Prototyperspective (talk) 11:41, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Any way to browse the data namespace?

Hi there, I'm toying with geojson, and would like to see some prior art to help me understand how to use geojson on Wikipedia. However, I haven't seen any structured way to see what's in the Data namespace that's used to store the geojson files, and how files in there are being used. There doesn't appear to be a category structure that I can use. Is there a way to browse that environment? Milliped (talk) 14:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

@Milliped: Hi, and welcome. You can start with special:prefixindex/data:.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 14:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Category merge request

Hello, could someone assist me by merging Category:Banyan robes into Category:Banyans (clothing)? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThePinkShoes (talk • contribs) 16:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I'll do this. Trivial with Cat-a-lot, which you might want to look into. - Jmabel ! talk 19:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: Jmabel ! talk 20:49, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Delete image (<7 days) unused content

I recently uploaded a logo and would like it deleted promptly <7 days. Should I use the {speedydelete|G7} template on the file description page for deletion?" (double curly brackets of course). Accuracy-searcher (talk) 22:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion
G7. Author or uploader request deletion
Original author or uploader requests deletion of recently created (<7 days) unused content.
I not sure where to add the template to the image for the deletion. Accuracy-searcher (talk) 22:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
@Accuracy-searcher: Add it literally anywhere on the file page. Adding at the top is customary, but not important. As long as the file is not in use anywhere, it will almost certainly be deleted within a day. - Jmabel ! talk 22:49, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
@Jmabel: Done! thank you! Accuracy-searcher (talk) 22:53, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
@Accuracy-searcher: For this particular criterion, we have a shortcut {{G7}}.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 12:14, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
I suggest you to add this code (see) to your common.js. RodRabelo7 (talk) 15:18, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

replace files > 100 MB

The file File:Decline_and_Fall_of_the_Roman_Empire_vol_2_(1896).djvu has two pages (viii and ix) missing and has about 112 MB. I want to upload a patched version that has these 2 pages but the upload interface does not allow this because it refuses to take files larger than 100 MB. How do I get this done? - R. J. Mathar (talk) 15:20, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

@R. J. Mathar User talk:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js#Overwriting an existing file. RZuo (talk) 15:56, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes. Adding these two scripts worked and replaced the big file. R. J. Mathar (talk) 18:02, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

importScript replacement

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3AimportScript+-intitle%3AArchive+-intitle%3A%22users+namespace%22&ns4=1&ns12=1

because importScript was deprecated, all mentions of it on help pages should be replaced with mw.loader. see mw:ResourceLoader/Migration_guide_(users)/en#How_to_migrate. RZuo (talk) 18:20, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Is there any examples of DMCA takedowns being undeleted?

I could not find any--Trade (talk) 20:58, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

@Trade: e.g. Commons:Office actions/DMCA notices/2021#Update: Content restored. SCP-2000 03:36, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Danish rail construction sites

These pictures where taken around june 2002, likely around kobenhagen. It could be a metro or rail line.

Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:32, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

@Smiley.toerist That's the metro line somewhere near Category:Bella Center station. Hjart (talk) 23:56, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
I created two new categories for the in between station images: Category:Copenhagen metro line 1 and Category:Copenhagen metro line 1 & 2 Rename file names necessary as this is not a rail construction site, but building and road works. Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:53, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

SVG Translate Tool

It seems, SVG Translate Tool is out of service. So again translating files manually. So sad ... Manlleus (talk) 16:51, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Back online Manlleus (talk) 01:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Double Vienna tram category

Category:Vienna tram type A. There seems to be two types A. The modern version and the historic version. I wanted to add Category:Trams with entrance gates, but this only applies to the old type tram. Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:05, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

It’s better to split it, no doubt. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 11:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Moved modern trams to Category:Vienna tram type ULF A. Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:59, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

File:Dust jacket, Lawrence, The Rainbow, Methuen, 1915.jpg

Hi, This file was on English Wikipedia with "from the painting by artist Frank Wright (1868-1924)", but I can't find any artist with these dates. There is a Category:Frank Wright (painter) (1860-1923). Is he the same person? Yann (talk) 12:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

At least the artist's signature in File:Frank Wright - Waitakeres - Sarjeant Gallery.jpg (lower left) looks quite similar. --Rosenzweig τ 14:06, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

HotCat notice

The edit notice on MediaWiki talk:Gadget-HotCat.js includes:

Talk pages in this namespace are generally not watched by many users. If you add a discussion here and are not using {{Edit request}}, please announce it at an appropriate location, such as Commons:Village pump.

This seems odd, but nonetheless please see: MediaWiki talk:Gadget-HotCat.js#Feature request: Ignore square brackets. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:10, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

AI drawings of specific people or logos that are unable to be uploaded

Is there a policy on creating ai drawings of people for which there do not exist any public domain images to be hosted here? For a long time this File:Kim Jong-Un Photorealistic-Sketch.jpg image was used for Kim Jong Un, and I imagine a lot more articles about people could have images if we did this. But it also risks being misleading or being disliked by users. I imagine the same could be done for logos but that would also run into issues of being misleading. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 19:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: the issues here are almost exactly the same as for original, non-photographic art by our own contributors. For people, it's hard to have something that is both reasonably accurate and not derivative of copyrighted work. (For logos, I think it is literally impossible.) For people, I don't think there is any clear consensus here. I personally would not encourage adding any large number such works until we hash out more of a consensus, but I'm also fully aware that the only way we will hash out a consensus is through the uploading of at least a small number of such works. - Jmabel ! talk 20:54, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Batch of wrong locations

Checking the location of a picture in the Ephesus region I found it was at a wrong spot. Then I found that probably all pictures of a set by one photographer, imported from Flickr, had the same location. At https://wikimap.toolforge.org/?wp=false&cluster=false&zoom=16&lat=037.920367&lon=0027.287292 one can find 128 of them. I would hope someone can delete them (the location, not the pictures, they are rather good and informative) in one fell swoop. Dosseman (talk) 19:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Can someone help with this deletion request

I made this deletion page Commons:Deletion requests/File:Dead Stream Swamp MI.jpg and I pasted the requested code in, but it still says something went wrong with the subpage.

The template says "Here is the full syntax again, in case you misplaced it:" which sounds like it should be giving the syntax to make the page, but apparently it is not doing so. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 19:59, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

You erroneously inserted {{Delete}} template into the request page. This template should be inserted into the image page. Ruslik (talk) 20:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
In the future, I strongly recommend using the "Nominate for deletion" tool rather than doing this by hand. - Jmabel ! talk 20:56, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Transparency gone after resizing

Why is the transparency gone when using a downsized transparent png file? Is this always the case and is there any way to avoid it? I noticed this with this file. Original size has transparency, the smaller one linked under "other resolutions" does not. Thanks! Emberwit (talk) 18:32, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

That’s unexpected, yes. I would just grab the original image, though, and resize it offline myself. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 23:29, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Which sizes have the issue? When i looked it seemed like the smaller sizes were appropriately transparent Bawolff (talk) 08:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Seems resolved by now indeed, not sure what the issue was exactly. Thanks for your replies!--Emberwit (talk) 11:36, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. --Emberwit (talk) 11:36, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Analog gradients

I'm trying to come up with an appropriate category for the printing technique at File:Helix, v.1, no.3.5, May 4, 1967 - DPLA - c5473574c42f7978da5186b4964c5fdd (back and front).jpg. Category:Color gradient is specifically under Category:Color in computer graphics, and the parent categories of Category:Gradient fields suggest a precise calculation. This file shows the use of applying a continuous shading of ink to some sort of printing press (probably offset) in 1967. (I've also seen it done with silk screening, but they wouldn't have silk-screened several thousand copies of a low-budget newspaper.) It's definitely a printing technique we should have an example of, and I wouldn't be surprised if we have others. - Jmabel ! talk 23:37, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel: You could make a new cat, perhaps "Category:Analog color gradient". The progression BIVROYGBIVR is very interesting. The color does seem somewhat offset in some places. There are defects in coloring the snakes behind Medusa's head. Presumably, the Seattle Public Library would have more examples from Helix on file. Sadly, artist Gary Eagle is no longer with us so we can't ask him.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 11:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
We have the full run of the Helix, minus a few pages that had clear copyright notices on some content (if it was less than a page, I've just redacted the relevant part, e.g. File:Helix, v.1, no.6, Jun. 23, 1967 - DPLA - 961d05f5a48a886514e066f36ac49228 (page 5).jpg).
As for SPL: they don't necessarily know more than I do on this, but I am in touch with Paul Dorpat (who, sadly, is sliding into dementia but often can remember some relevant facts, but he's the one who gave SPL a complete run of the Helix), Art Chantry, and several other relevant people. On Gary Eagle, there's a fair chance that anything you found about him comes from me writing it, but maybe not; turns out he has a public-facing Facebook page down to the end, so that helped me track things down. - Jmabel ! talk 20:39, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
@Jmabel This is called "rainbow roll". Counterfeit Purses (talk) 17:03, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
And the English Wikipedia has a related-looking article at en:Split-fount inking. Omphalographer (talk) 19:16, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
@Counterfeit Purses and Omphalographer: thanks so much! - Jmabel ! talk 20:39, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Looks like the Helix used this a lot. I've been able to place a bunch of examples in the newly created Category:Split-fount inking just from going through their 1967 issues. A few combine this in interesting ways with other printing techniques, or make other unusual, clever use of it:
Jmabel ! talk 21:28, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
I once worked for a printer who occasionally used the technique on a Multi duplicator, but I never heard a name for it. He had to pause and wash up every few hundred impressions or else the gradients would diffuse into a murky mixture. The effect would probably be easier to manage on a press proper, with a wider fountain and better inking control.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 07:18, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
By the way, this now makes sense for me of the name of the (definitive) book on the Seattle poster art of this period, Split Fountain Hieroglyphics. - Jmabel ! talk 19:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
  • There is that 1970s psychedelic hippie font again. We tried last time to come up with a name for the font so we could add a category. Can anyone suggest a temporary name, so we can have a category? --RAN (talk) 00:20, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
    • It's not really a "font", it's a style of lettering. Even on just the letter "e" there are a crazy number of variants between artists, and often even within the work of a single artist. - Jmabel ! talk 07:06, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Photoshopped image (Singdrossel.jpg)

Just came across File:Singdrossel.jpg, which looks rather odd. It has no information about how it was created (other than file metadata). What to do about it? Tag it? Delete it? --Njardarlogar (talk) 11:03, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

There seems to be quite a lot of information in the meta-data and I don't see why we should doubt the authorship. The only thing I find suspicious is that it lists "Software used: Adobe Photoshop CS2 Windows", but this is not uncommon for photographers. My guess is that they simply blurred the background and make it black and white because the subject (the bird) was deemed more important than the background and they wanted to emphasise it, this is no different than the people who completely remove backgrounds from images. Personally, I would've preferred for them to have uploaded the original and then the edited file, but as this was uploaded in March 2006 I somehow doubt that user "@William~commonswiki: " still has the original photograph. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 18:34, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
I don't doubt the authorship, it is just that we cannot tell what modifications have been made to the picture; and it looks strange. If you look at the lower body of the bird, you can see that there are two traces where two grass blades could have continued (the bird's feathers take on a green hue here). Perhaps the simplest explanation is that the bird has been selectively brightened and some of the grass cloned out. Yet it also looks like the bird could have been superimposed on the background. --Njardarlogar (talk) 20:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
@Njardarlogar: I've added a {{Retouched picture}} tag since it obviously applies. I don't think there's any cause to delete the file, especially since it's in use on several other projects. --bjh21 (talk) 20:56, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Signature help

Can anyone make out the signature on the bottom panel of File:Helix, v.5, no.9, Dec. 12, 1968 - DPLA - b4b749b194d7f45676e4a241a7cce198 (page 20).jpg? "M. [something] 1968". Might even be someone pretty well known, because the one at upper left is by Gilbert Shelton, signing only as "Gilbert". PD because of lack of notice. - Jmabel ! talk 20:32, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

M. Jonson I think. --Rosenzweig τ 17:07, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Also see File:Helix, v.5, no.2, Oct. 24, 1968 - DPLA - adb7324343eb8cf6bd8c018d9b7e6fe7 (page 23).jpg (lower left). --Rosenzweig τ 17:13, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
@Rosenzweig: Thanks. Could be "Jonson", "Torson", or "Turson", but at least that eliminates some other possibilities like "Foxson". - Jmabel ! talk 20:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikimedia blog on flickypedia

https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/02/09/introducing-flickypedia-a-better-way-to-get-flickr-images-on-wikimedia-commons/ —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 11:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I think this is premature. There are a number of unresolved issues discussed at Commons talk:Flickypedia. The statement "This flow has a little more friction than some other Flickr uploading tools, which is by design." underplays one of those issues, in that titles and captions must be entered manually, and are not prefilled from values in Flickr. Furthermore, it is not possible to copy the title from the first image in a set to the rest, with sequential number suffixes; and not possible to use the tool to copy the caption from the first image in a set to the rest (and then modify it in each case, if required). It is not even possible to sift+click to select a range of images - each must be clicked on individually (I'm currently trying to import a set of 91 pictures, and my RSI is bad enough as it is, thanks!). Colleagues will be aware that this functionality is present in our own upload wizard; and that such bulk selection and bulk population of caption/ description is also possible in the existing Flckr2Commons tool. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
+1 to Andy. For the common use case of copying over your own content from Flickr, the inability to easily copy titles and descriptions feels like a deliberately built-in defect. Ditto for bringing in materials like the ones I routinely copy from the Seattle Municipal Archives. - Jmabel ! talk 20:48, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Sensual Image

Hello, I want to ask, is it allowed to upload sensual images of humans? As uploaded by User:Srakatundra? Thanks. Kuramochi Akihiko (talk) 08:47, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

These all are obvious copyright violations from some porn sites and should be deleted. -- Herbert Ortner (talk) 09:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
✓ Done User warned, all files deleted. Please post on COM:ANU next time. Yann (talk) 09:55, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
@Yann: They then uploaded File:Its my scandal 14.jpg and tagged it {{Db-g7}}.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 15:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
✓ Done Blocked indef. as VOA. It can't be said we didn't give a chance. Yann (talk) 16:18, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you to all of you. Kuramochi Akihiko (talk) 16:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Query media by category?

Hello,

In short I want to see all the videos in a category sorted by length longest to shortest. I remember there was a tool similar to PetScan (but older looking) that allowed you to do this, but I can't remember what it was. The results were tabular and it wasn't quickstatements, any of the commons.wikimedia search interfaces. Does anyone know what it was called or if I can do this with another tool? Edit: I've asked on Request a Query Carlinmack (talk) 15:52, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Solved! https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Request_a_query#Commons_Query_-_sort_videos_by_longest_to_shortest Carlinmack (talk) 18:46, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

FYI: 2024: announcing the year of the OpenStreetMap vector maps

https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2024/02/11/2024-announcing-the-year-of-the-openstreetmap-vector-maps/

Huge news. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:17, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Wrong wikidata link to category

d:Q78093890 is a painting and does not match the locality of Category:Castle Place, Belfast. Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:19, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

It looks like a false match with an automated edit on Wikidata a few years ago. Because the name of the painting on Wikidata is the same as the geographical category on Commons (and the image of the painting is in the same category) a bot linked the painting to the geographical category. I'll clean this up when I get access to a PC later if another editor doesn't do it first (I'm on mobile at the moment and the Wikidata interface doesn't like mobile editing). From Hill To Shore (talk) 10:32, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
@Smiley.toerist and From Hill To Shore: ✓ Done in these edits and creation of d:Q124512332.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 11:09, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Announcing the results of the UCoC Coordinating Committee Charter ratification vote

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Dear all,

Thank you everyone for following the progress of the Universal Code of Conduct. I am writing to you today to announce the outcome of the ratification vote on the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee Charter. 1746 contributors voted in this ratification vote with 1249 voters supporting the Charter and 420 voters not. The ratification vote process allowed for voters to provide comments about the Charter.

A report of voting statistics and a summary of voter comments will be published on Meta-wiki in the coming weeks.

Please look forward to hearing about the next steps soon.

On behalf of the UCoC Project team,

RamzyM (WMF) 18:23, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Final reminder on the technical needs survey

One last reminder that the voting on the Technical needs survey runs until the 15th of February. GPSLeo (talk) 18:39, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

What's going on with Commons:Deletion requests/mobile tracking?

A number of automated deletion scripts automatically add deletions of files uploaded by the mobile app to a list on this page. This page used to be archived weekly by User:CommonsMaintenanceBot, but it stopped doing so in September 2021. As a result, the page is now gigantic; it fails to render properly due to template inclusion limits, and editing it (e.g. when running those deletion scripts) can be slow.

Does this page still need to be kept around? Given that no one else seems to have noticed the rendering issues, it probably isn't serving any useful purpose. Failing that, can we get something set up to archive it again?

Omphalographer (talk) 20:34, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Rillke as bot operator.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 21:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Duplicate media

Hi, not sure if there is a better place to note this but:

Are the same media, one being Media of the Day and one being featured on enwiki. It would be good to merge them and keep both attributes. Many thanks Carlinmack (talk) 12:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Carlinmack: I've added links between them in the "other versions" section. They're different crops: you can see that at 2:10 where the "1926" version has quite a lot more of the picture on the left. That means they're not duplicates in terms of COM:DUPE. The "1927" version is possibly redundant, but a full deletion request would be required to remove it. --bjh21 (talk) 20:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

IIIF Manifests and bulk imports

Do we have a tool that will import a set of images with an IIIF Manifest, for example the 275 PD broadsides at [4]? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:11, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Can these media be uploaded here if they have watermarks

These photos are some of the only ones I have found of this particular type of dance. They come from 1949 so they are not protected by copyright in China, but they also have a watermark on them. So are they not allowed to be uploaded due to the watermarks? https://web.archive.org/web/20221014133012/https://k.sina.com.cn/article_5898468734_15f937d7e01901taf5.html#/ Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 23:42, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: watermarks are discouraged but not forbidden. In this case they could easily be cropped out without affecting the main subject at all, so scarcely impair the images’ usability. But are the photos also copyright-free in the USA? I believe they would have to have been free in China by 1995.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 07:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
There is no need to resort to cropping off watermarks, there are plenty of free tools on the internet for erasing them. Broichmore (talk) 07:04, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
I think you could find better sources where these photographs have no watermarks like: https://foto-history.livejournal.com/11923093.html 源義信 (talk) 00:24, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Cat-a-lot

Is it only me or is cat-a-lot also broken for anybody else? I can select the files/categories to move, but when I want to execute the move, the counter hangs at 1... --Reinhard Müller (talk) 11:40, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

i also got stuck sometimes a few days ago when i used it. i was adding a category to category pages (from special:Search results). i looked at the pages' wikitexts that probably got me stuck but didnt seem to see anything unusual. RZuo (talk) 17:20, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Meanwhile I also found out that it is limited to some categories and works for others. Please consider this case closed :-) --Reinhard Müller (talk) 08:43, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
To what categories is it limited? JopkeB (talk) 13:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
now today i'm trying again. moving subcats of Category:American diaspora to "american diaspora by country" gets me stuck. this must be a bug. RZuo (talk) 13:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
I reported it this morning, see Commons:Village_pump/Technical#Cat-a-log_does_not_work_for_categories. JopkeB (talk) 13:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
I'll continue there. Thanks for the pointer. --Reinhard Müller (talk) 14:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Another photo is hidden within revisions of one

In this file File:IlyaLazarenko.jpg I saw that there is actually another photo of the same guy as a different version of the file https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/a/ac/20170114201410%21IlyaLazarenko.jpg can we reupload this as a separate file? I am concerned a bit with the licensing of that version though. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 20:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

{{Split}} is the tag requesting different versions at the filename be split into separate filenames. But if there is no valid license for the intermediate file, then that revision should instead be rev-deleted. DMacks (talk) 20:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
I have hidden the intermediate file as it seems like a copyvio. Abzeronow (talk) 20:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Problems with category page.

Today I created Category:Great Sand Dunes National Park and Preserve entrance signs. At the top of the category, there is a template with links to corresponding categories in other national parks. Why does the national park I created the new category for (Great Sand Dunes National Park and Preserve) not appear in the list at the top? Also, why is "United States national parks" redlinked? Jeffrey Beall (talk) 01:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC).

@Jeffrey Beall: Hi, and welcome. Nobody bothered to add Great Sand Dunes National Park and Preserve to {{US national parks}} or create Category:National parks of the United States entrance signs.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 01:50, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Great Sand Dunes is in the template. I think the reason it isn't showing up is because the new category includes "National Park and Preserve entrance signs" while the other categories include "National Park entrance signs." The mismatch prevents the template from functioning correctly. From Hill To Shore (talk) 02:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

SVG animations and animateMotion

Hello! Recently I created Elliptic orbit.svg. If you look at the file history, you will notice that there are two versions of the file. I normally use Firefox, and so only after submitting the first version I noticed that the animation does not work in Chrome. Afterwards I did find a solution to make it work in Chrome (i.e. the current version), however my solution made it no longer work in Firefox. Does anyone know how to make the animation work in every browser? --Grufo (talk) 08:33, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Use CSS animations. The only possible option. Users123tps (talk) 13:28, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
I would have no idea how to simulate the acceleration/deceleration using CSS… --Grufo (talk) 17:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Retrieving Image Author and Submission Date for Wiki Loves Monuments UK

Hello Wikimedia Commons Community!

Background

I'm currently working on a project to visualize data from the Wiki Loves Monuments UK contest. My aim is to display the contributions of participants, focusing on the image author and the submission date of each entry from the years 2013 to 2023.

I am reaching out to seek your advice on whether I am retrieving the image author and submission date correctly and if there's a more efficient or accurate method to get all the image submission items for the competition.

Current Method

I have been using the Wikimedia Commons API to retrieve the image author and submission date. For each image URL obtained from Wikidata, I query the Commons API to extract the artist (image author) and dateTimeOriginal (submission date). Here is a simplified version of my approach:

  1. Query Wikidata for image submissions tagged with specific heritage designations relevant to the Wiki Loves Monuments contest.
  2. For each image URL retrieved, perform a query to the Wikimedia Commons API to fetch metadata, including the image author and submission date.
  3. Filter the images submitted during September of each year from 2013 to 2023, aligning with the contest period.

Below is the code for fetching the image author and submission date for the image item. 

import requests
from urllib.parse import unquote
from bs4 import BeautifulSoup
import html

def get_wikimedia_commons_data(file_url):
    # Extracting the file name from the URL
    file_name = unquote(file_url.split('/')[-1])

    # Wikimedia Commons API endpoint for fetching file information
    commons_api_url = "https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php"
    params = {
        "action": "query",
        "titles": f"File:{file_name}",
        "prop": "imageinfo",
        "iiprop": "extmetadata",
        "format": "json"
    }

    response = requests.get(commons_api_url, params=params)
    if response.status_code == 200:
        data = response.json()
        page = next(iter(data["query"]["pages"].values()))
        if "imageinfo" in page:
            imageinfo = page["imageinfo"][0]["extmetadata"]
            author_html = imageinfo.get("Artist", {}).get("value", "N/A")
            date = imageinfo.get("DateTimeOriginal", {}).get("value", "N/A")
            # Unescaping HTML entities
            author_html = html.unescape(author_html)
            # Using BeautifulSoup to parse HTML and extract text
            soup = BeautifulSoup(author_html, 'html.parser')
            author = soup.get_text()

            return author, date
        
    return "N/A", "N/A"

Challenges

While I have been able to retrieve a significant amount of data, I am concerned about the accuracy and completeness of the information, especially considering the large scale of submissions to the contest.

Questions

So my questions are:

  1. Is there a more direct or reliable method to query for image submissions specifically tied to the Wiki Loves Monuments UK contest?
  2. Are there any best practices or tools recommended by the community for handling such data retrieval efficiently?

I would greatly appreciate any insights, suggestions, or examples of how others have approached similar tasks. Your expertise could significantly enhance the accuracy and impact of this project.

Thank you for your time and assistance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by UnChampignon (talk • contribs) 10:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

--UnChampignon (talk) 10:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

As WLM only has own works uploaded you can simply use ["imageinfo"]["user"]. This parameter will always give the uploader as a string. You therefore do not need any html parsing. Only if you also want the attribution name and not only the account name you need the "extmetadata" property. If you want the attribution name you could use the ["imageinfo"]["user"] as a fallback if there is no "Artist" property for the file. For a single run on all files in the WLM UK category this should be fast enough with a dedicated request for every file. If you want to speed this up you can request the data for up to 50 pages at once. If you want to do this you have to concatenate the stings of the file names with a pipe | between the files. In the results you will get a list with an entry for every requested page. Maybe you are already aware of this but I can try everything at Special:ApiSandbox. GPSLeo (talk) 15:03, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Youtube removed CC attributions in Sept 2021 - how to handle verification

According to Youtube documentation https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797468 the Creative Commons Licesnes were discontinued September 2021 and required updates to video descriptions to indicate copyright if I read this correctly. This seems to imply that inaction would mean CC released videos would no longer have a CC license without the video owner updating their video description. Thus in cases where screenshots for images of individuals like File:Peter_Lawson_Jones_2017-02-09.jpg uploaded before these licenses were revoked may be compliant, but it is unclear since any structured verification was removed. How are the legacy images sourced via Youtube being verified to the licenses applied when they were uploaded? Should these all be marked {{subst:Npd}} or otherwise categorized in some way for a review for evidence of the license being accurate? Or what other considerations and indications should be done with these? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfgang8741 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 14 February 2024‎ (UTC)

You're misreading that page. Nothing has changed with regards to video licensing; videos can still be uploaded with a CC-BY license, and that license appears below the video description.
What was removed was an attributions page which was used by the YouTube video editor to automatically provide attribution for videos created from excerpts of other CC videos. This removal has already taken place, and YouTube now recommends that video authors now provide attribution in the description of a video, rather than using this separate page. Omphalographer (talk) 20:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Correct, I was able to license my videos with CC still --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 13:29, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

File overwriting not allowed

I tried to upload an improved version of a file uploaded by another user. This used to be possible; I have done this many times. Now I get the message that this is nor allowed; I need to "request an exception". Commons:Overwriting existing files § Minor improvements says: "✓[OK] As a general rule, use the link "Upload a new version of this file" only for relatively minor improvements." This is not helpful if one also has to request exceptions in all cases, including minor improvements.  --Lambiam 08:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Sadly there were too many people overwriting files that didn't meet the guidelines. You can also apply for the Autopatrol user right, which circumvents the limit. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 09:06, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Thx, will do.  --Lambiam 09:10, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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